Are the basic signs evident in a young pigeons eye at weaning time or do the signs flucuate and the signs develop more in later years? Or another way of putting it, do eyesigns change at all? ie, health, breeding, etc,.
If this has been answered on here elswhere then would appreciate knowing.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 08:13 pm: Edit

Spugs. The signs you are interested in are there at birth but, they do develope and become more obvious with age.

The eye's do not change from being one kind to becoming another, if the bird is born with a flying eye, it will die with that same flying eye. In other words, a flying eye does not change into a breeding eye later in life, only a very well developed flying eye.

By Spuggy (209.239.5.236 - 209.239.5.236) on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 08:24 pm: Edit

Thanks. I emailed you but keep getting 'undeliverable'and returned mail. That is why I put this topic up. I called a few nights ago, left a message. I think you returned the call today, on the answereing machine it was an Aussie accent. I called back, some lady said right number but no one of that name here.
So will ask on here. If I can take excellent pics of some young birds eyes, about a dozen or 16 is all I want to raise, at about 4 weeks of age, could you see the potential fliers in those eyes?

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:35 pm: Edit

Spugs you don't have to wait that long but yes you can see them by then. Can't imagine what went wrong with your E-mail it 's working OK for me. I had 17 today from everywhere including 9 new customers in 3 day's through all the crap that's been coming down lately??? P T Barnham was right. All publicity is good publicity. My phone was down for 4 hr's on Thursday but is fine now. Try this 818-833-7399. If the maid answers, her name is Maria. Be nice.

By Wayne (205.188.208.108 - 205.188.208.108) on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:46 pm: Edit

Spuggy- Try Bob's e-mail address as Fmreyesign instead of mreyesign.

Wayne

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:56 pm: Edit

Actually they should both work, the F stands for fabulous

By Roly (62.253.32.7 - 62.253.32.7) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 06:30 am: Edit

Knifes are getting dormant! the lull and calm .. etc. soon be stormy as I'm sure there is a misbegotten clicle still sharpened theirs. For I am sure 'Dick Brain' are scheming hatching and just waiting with a little 'Hope a Prayer' that they can start slicing up some poor innocent ythat misspells a word or Dots a T instead of
AS foe me.. weeerll I'll be slicing a few Pork Pies so better sharpen the egde and keep all ship shape and honed in like. crossing an EYE soon! Mind out now lads.......!
MIND in all Honesty I must admit this site is better off with out them and things are now like hey should be and what this site was intended. So bet your bottom Dollar lads that Jealous Cretins are feeling the Pangs now and they will be gettin more intense over this.......
Watch your backs mateys!

By Spuggy (209.239.6.170 - 209.239.6.170) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 11:50 am: Edit

Thanks Wayne. Will try that. Took some pics this morning at a freinds place. Great beleiver in eyesign. Hermman Gunnerman.
Maria sounded nice, and yes that was the phone number. I should be back on later and try and post one or two pics.
Hermman told me that yes at about 24 days or so you could tell. But after 28 days it was more difficult so he flies them to the last race then looks at the eyes again from the front runners and keeps them. Combination of performance and eyesign.

By Bill (24.42.82.3 - 24.42.82.3) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 07:03 pm: Edit

Hi Roly ....Stop talking about those pork pie's your making my mouth water you no you have the best in the world in mellton mobray don't know if its the right spelling or not, Say hello to Joyce for me. bill butterfield. P.S. Fixing your room up just in case you and Joyce come over to visit some time.

By Spuggy (209.239.5.169 - 209.239.5.169) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 07:41 pm: Edit

Roly. Darn it! You posted a civil polite post! Tut tut! You shocked me!
Bill, nice to see you post again.
Mreyesign, took two pics of a pair recently received from a freind of mine. Hermman Gunnerman, eyesign person. Going to try and post them. They may be too large. Gonna try anyway.

By Spuggy (209.239.5.169 - 209.239.5.169) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 07:43 pm: Edit

Cock

By Spuggy (209.239.5.169 - 209.239.5.169) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 07:47 pm: Edit

His hen.

By Spuggy (209.239.5.169 - 209.239.5.169) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 07:52 pm: Edit

Will try another, Hermmans old Jannsen.

By David (64.228.1.166 - 64.228.1.166) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 09:19 pm: Edit

my pick is the hen in the middle.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 09:45 pm: Edit

IF YOU GOT THESE AS GIFTS I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU KEEP IN SWEET WITH THAT FRIEND BECAUSE, HE SURELY IS A TRUE FRIEND TO GIVE YOU BIRDS LIKE THESE ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE.

3 American Combine eye's.

I would wager that the first 2 won "BIG TIME" for him, and the best thing to know is that they can both breed winners as reliably as they flew. 50/50 Dual Purpose.

Dual purpose eye's both, sharing their flying and breeding ability EQUALLY.

A great pair of pigeons. They show ALL that we look for in the eye's of top quality birds. Mated most correctly BY CONTRAST. A perfect pairing.

The last one is a fabulous bird in that it has that little extra in it's eye that distinguishes it from the first two, and that is in the racing department.

This bird is a "Champion" if ever I saw one. I love it. As a breeder? Yes it will breed EXCELLENT birds also without doubt but primarily, this is an athlete of the highest possible quality. THESE ARE WHAT WE NEED FOR THAT NATIONAL ROLY.

This guy should be congratulated for breeding such a great pigeon. I sure would like to see around in his stock loft. My final grading of this birds would be 50/50 but underline the first 50. the(racing)%. This is because the eye tends to lean slighly towards that of the flyer.

Send the cheque to Mike V Spugs. .

By Spuggy (209.239.5.158 - 209.239.5.158) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 10:07 pm: Edit

Thanks for the evaluation Bob and David.The last one is a breeder for my freind. 94 cock. Janssen.
The first two are what he sold me a while back. Price? Coffee and breakfast. Freinds do for each other. I needed a pair he supplied them.
I beleive he still has your eyesign book. When i mentioned a yellow violet he said that to be violet the base had to be pearl. I told him I did not know, was beyond me. I said if a pic was posted I would send it to him.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 11:50 pm: Edit

Spuggs. I don't want to sound very OLD here, but when I was a young man (several months ago) my Mentor told me that the best birds you will ever own will be gifts from "true friends".

I think this confirms what he meant in this case once again, it proved right for me many years ago.

And just for the record, that guy knows a little bit more about eye-sign than you probably realize. Is he on line? and what's his name??I'd would love to talk to him.

So did he tell you any more about them?

By David (216.209.109.91 - 216.209.109.91) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 06:02 am: Edit

i dont have any friends. so i have to rely on me picking the good ones for me.said it before my dam clock just keeps holding me back. some day iam going to get a winning clock.

By David (216.209.109.91 - 216.209.109.91) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 06:06 am: Edit

hey it sure neat you fellows posting pictures of eye balls.i cant read and a picture is worth a thousand words. just wish more would do the same as it brings some colour to the site.the bonous here is some posts are so long i have to take a day off work just to find the time to read them.oh oh.

By David (216.209.109.91 - 216.209.109.91) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 06:20 am: Edit

question. i took three pairs of yearlings out of the racing loft put them in breeding pens. now when the babies are ten days old the hen is put back in the racing loft and the cocks will feed the babies till there ready to wean. now i will re mate these birds mar 22. will the hens and cocks start a wing moult once there down on the second pair of eggs. dont forget the hens were pulled when there first babies were ten days old and they sat in the hens loft for over three weeks with no mate. or will they hold those flights till there on there second set of eggs in the racing loft to drop those first wing flights. what do you experts say.

By Roly (62.253.32.7 - 62.253.32.7) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 07:02 am: Edit

Yes six days after the fist egg .. or is Second egg? Still one of the other..... Bob will tel you as he knows a lot more than just eyesign... Could ask me pld mucker Billy T. and we could use the answered information as credit against our Van Der Pluckers.....What a little more between.......!!

By Peterl (216.209.146.113 - 216.209.146.113) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 08:57 am: Edit

Enjoy the pics.I only have bad eyesign birds but have no pics of their eyeballs.If anyone else has bad birds perhaps pictures of same would prove useful.

By Sunset (170.224.224.134 - 170.224.224.134) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 09:02 am: Edit

David, I notice your email is “rollerpigeon” If your birds are rolling on the way home I don’t think a change of clock will help.

By Louis (216.209.18.177 - 216.209.18.177) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 10:13 am: Edit

Pete, your sucking on those maple branches a little too soon!! Don't believe him guys!

What a co-incidence. Last week my buddy brought me a book that has all those pics of the Janssen bird's eyes that Jessewu (or whoever) had posted. Seems these eyes were taken back in the early 90's, and are not recent birds of the bros'. Also nice to see them without the computer enhancing! Big difference! There is also a list of the pairs they had in '97 of which there is 23 pairs, which far more than the 8 pairs that were shown.
Jessewu, it would have been good for you to post also the birds within the book that were directly from the Janssen's loft that were of the same era with nowhere near the same caliber of eyes.

By Tommakowecki (64.42.242.15 - 64.42.242.15) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 11:25 am: Edit

Louis, what is the book? I would love to see it.

By Bill (24.42.82.3 - 24.42.82.3) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 12:12 pm: Edit

Hi Spuggy. How far where you away from the birds when you took the eye pic's and did you have someone to hold them, Need to know as i have just bought a new camara nikon 4500 with macro settings so i can get real close. Thanks Hal. bill butterfield.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 01:30 pm: Edit

So would I louis. What ever the cost.

By Spuggy (209.239.5.139 - 209.239.5.139) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 02:19 pm: Edit

Bill. The old cock the last pic, Hermman held for me. The next two pics I took myself. The camera is very light. I held the bird in the right hand and made sure the head was not in the shade and waited till they calmed down and clicked, about a couple of inches away. I screwed some up but got a few good ones. Then I downloaded them and used ACDC program that came with the camera, cropped them and enlarged them. Had the Macro setting on etc,. Seems to be working out quite well the camera. I can take pics from a few centimeters away but a couple of inches gives me room for error.

By Spuggy (209.239.5.139 - 209.239.5.139) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 02:56 pm: Edit

My favourite Blue.

By Spuggy (209.239.5.139 - 209.239.5.139) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 03:09 pm: Edit

By Spuggy (209.239.5.139 - 209.239.5.139) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 03:23 pm: Edit

Bob F. The last pigeon is a 94 Janssen cock. His best breeder by far. The first pic is a cock he flew as a young bird then held him back last year to breed from. That particular cocks sister won quite a few young bird opens and lots of cash. The second pic, the hen, was a gift to him from a freind out West who came to visit a year or so ago. All good winning and breeding family. Yes, he does know his pigeons eyes. I beleive he also took a trip to Oakhaven farms and the Continental Breeding station with Mikev and some others a few years ago.
No, he does not get online very much. He is retired and his pigeons are his passion. Actually he called me today after I had emailed him the eye pics and pasted your comments about the birds eyes. He was very happy about it!

By Mikev (66.185.85.73 - 66.185.85.73) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 04:41 pm: Edit

Hi Hal

You are correct, Herman was one of the group that toured Oak Haven and CBS. It was me and three Germans. Helmut, Willi, Herman and Mike. One super trip.

By Louis (216.209.18.123 - 216.209.18.123) on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 06:05 pm: Edit

Tom and Bob, the book I'm talking of, is a breeding book that the Japanese (I believe) put out every year. Mikev had brought these books back from Europe for his buddy. They are hard covered and fully color throughout, and almost every bird is pictured with the eye (clean shots). They range from Belgium, Holland, China, Taiwan, etc.
Downside, most is in Japanese language (I believe). You can still make out lots of results, and some of the pedigrees. Amazing breeding book!!

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:29 am: Edit

Hi MikeV, have any more of those books left?

By Tommakowecki (64.42.242.10 - 64.42.242.10) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:56 am: Edit

Yes Mikev - How do I get a book like that?

By Roly (62.253.32.7 - 62.253.32.7) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 05:13 pm: Edit

Buy one! lol.

By Marvin (64.21.209.192 - 64.21.209.192) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 06:14 pm: Edit

Hi Roly, do you have one for sale? How much?

By Mikev (66.185.85.73 - 66.185.85.73) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 06:47 pm: Edit

Hi Marvin and Tom. The book was a gift to me from Silvere Toye. My partner has it at the moment and I believe that he lent it to a mutual friend. They are published in Japan. I will see if I can get any ordering info off it next time I see the book. In any event, I will try and remember to bring it to Calgary in October.

Mike

By Marvin (64.21.209.192 - 64.21.209.192) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 07:12 pm: Edit

Hi MikeV, I guess I am most interested about the number of breeders the Brothers had. And were the 16 eyes we saw just the best picked out of 20 some pairs? Or did they actually just have 8 pairs. That is where I am confused...well, I am probably confused about other things but let's stick to this one for now LOL. Also were these 16 the current eyes or 16 from the time of that book years ago?

By Mikev (66.185.85.73 - 66.185.85.73) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 09:15 pm: Edit

I cant answer your questions Marvin but my understanding was that Louis and Charel were down to about 40 pigeons in total. After Charel passed Louis cut down a little more. I am not sure when the photos were taken.

By Louis (207.164.138.247 - 207.164.138.247) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 10:41 pm: Edit

Marvin, re-read my post. I thought I was pretty clear on all that. But, I'll say it again. The book was published in '97 I believe. It's an annual book that they put out. Like I said, it's in Japanese, therefore difficult to know what is written. But, that aside, based on the band numbers/years, it seems, since I see a date of 1992 that possibly these 16 eye photos that are on this site were taken then. Again I reiterate that the ones on this site are computer enhanced!! The next page shows a date of '97 and immediately below a list of 23 pairs of birds. Some of the bird's eye pics you see are in that list, but not all. Therefore the eyes were taken at an earlier date ('92). They show the camera set-up outside with Louis and Charel (still looking good health wise) and the Japanese who do the photography for the whole book.
Included with the eye pics are the pedigrees and a picture of the wing spread out (they are noting the forearm length)4 1/2" to 5" in length.
There you have it. They are not recent photos of their birds.

By Marvin (64.21.209.192 - 64.21.209.192) on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 11:11 pm: Edit

Louis, I am curious how you know that these are the same eyes as in that book and why you think that they are computer enhanced? Not trying to argue with you just wondering.

By Louis (207.164.138.247 - 207.164.138.247) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 07:54 am: Edit

Well Marvin, it's like this. When my friend brought me the books, I immediately browsed through them, and in so doing I noticed that the picture of the eyes were the exact same as I had just seen on this site the week before. Marvin, they are not just the same eyes, but the actual pictures!! This is not rocket science were dealing with here!
Secondly, I (and also many people that I talked to) realized immediately when the photos were posted, that they were "Enhanced". That again is not rocket science! But then having seen the "actual" photos of the eyes (a printed version mind you) in turn gave the truer version of how the eyes looked.
Based on the consistency and type of lighting etc., it seems the same photographer has done all the birds in the book.
Enhancing, it's like what Bob stated about Peter Pobor's eye photos of his own birds, in that they are exactly that "enhanced". Trickery as far as I'm concerned, but who am I to say.

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 08:31 am: Edit

Louis, it just seems hard for me to understand that if the eyes have been enhanced then how can they look like the ones in your book? The current breeders would undoubtably resemble the ones in the book. Also I have trouble with the idea that the eyes in Pobar's book are inhanced as I said before I have a Pobar bird and his eye looks like the ones in the book. I don't think his eye has been enhanced. Again I am not trying to argue just trying to understand.

By Louis (206.47.105.245 - 206.47.105.245) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 09:32 am: Edit

Well there you have it. And I no longer wish to try and explain.
The age of the birds range from 1976 thru 1990. Those are the pics you see. If you feel that the current birds would be (UNDOUBTABLY)the equivalent, so be it.

I haven't seen the pics of Pobor's birds eyes in the book. Only from the internet site. Are they the same?

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 09:57 am: Edit

Louis, I don't think Pete has a website anymore but anyhow the ones on the website and the ones in the book and the actual eyes of the birds seem to me to be the same. I don't know anything about enhancement but just from looking with my eyes and loupe they look the same. I heard this "enhancement stuff" about Pete's pictures so that is why I bought the birds. I was not willing to take someone else's word to discredit him. Did my own research with my own money. I still do not see how you can say that those Janssen eyes are the same as the ones in your book if you say they are different from the ones in the book.

By Tommakowecki (64.42.242.22 - 64.42.242.22) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 10:23 am: Edit

What I think Louis is trying to say is that the pics on this site were "sharpenned" their detail is exagerated and left them looking "grainy". I stated that at the time the pics showed up.

I have no idea what anyone is refering to with the Pobor eyes.......but Marvin - are these wide C/C's like Pobor's - are they racing well?

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 10:47 am: Edit

Tom, so by enhanced it just means brighter? I remember you mentioned that right away. By enhanced I thought "changed characteristics". If it means just brighter then I can see how they could be compared with the book. Still I find it hard for someone to say for sure that these eyes are the same as those in the book without some numbering on the picture or something. Regarding the Pobar birds I do not have a report to give on their performance as yet. I knew that question would be coming. It was less expensive to buy them than drive somewhere to look at them. Funny thing, one has a cluster and I don't think Pete likes clusters. LOL.

By Tommakowecki (64.42.242.3 - 64.42.242.3) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:52 am: Edit

Just so you will see the difference - here is the same eye...the one is normal - the next was sharpenned and brightenned then darkenned.
Yes Roly, I can change pictures.....NOT EMAILS

By Tommakowecki (64.42.242.3 - 64.42.242.3) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:54 am: Edit

This one has been enhanced

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 12:12 pm: Edit

Thanks Tom, sort of like seeing an eye on a cloudy day and again on a bright day? Does not change the characteristics just makes it easier to see.

By Tommakowecki (64.42.242.3 - 64.42.242.3) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 12:18 pm: Edit

It is still the same eye but manipulating it so certain characteristics might appear better. I pay more attention to the iris than anything and with some manipulation - I think the iris can be improved quite a bit. Most often I can spot it so - one just has to take that into consideration.

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 12:33 pm: Edit

Thanks again Tom. Because of my schedule I am used to seeing eyes in different lights and comparing them that way. On a bright sunshine day or cloudy day or by artificial light at night they do appear somewhat different but I am used to making those adjustments. We would probably all like to compare the eyes all taken at the same time with the same light etc. but that is in a dream world as far as I can see.

By Louis (206.172.205.31 - 206.172.205.31) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 12:33 pm: Edit

Marvin, I just can't see how you can see that Tom's first pic is the same as his second pic!! Tom didn't number them for you!!

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Louis, I was going to mention that. I was just assuming they were because Tom said so. I am taking his word for it. Good point. Actually I was just comparing them to see if I could say for certain they were the same eye when your message popped up. Seems to me to be the same eye just like it seems to you that the Janssen eyes are the same ones in the book. Makes more sense to me now. Thanks.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 01:40 pm: Edit

It's the same eye, and the enhansement is as it was explained, only to the light and darkness of the picture. The Pobor eye's ON HIS WEB SITE were altered to make the eye-sign (C/C) look wider than it really is.

At one time, He was telling people that he bred all his birds from pigeons off buildings etc.

From memory about 95% of them had been altered and I said so on here. I haven't seen his book and I also said that at $100 ea, I wouldn't be buying a copy either.

By Marvin (64.21.209.192 - 64.21.209.192) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 01:52 pm: Edit

Hi Bob, That is what I had heard before about Pete's pictures. That is why I bought the birds. My comparison of the website,book and the pigeons look the same to me. In the article I read he picked some of the birds out of lofts of fellows quitting the sport or moving. Picked a few he liked out of a large number of birds. I am sure you could build a family if you picked out some by eyesign yourself from several lofts. I think I could. I am satisfied that the pictures are accurate compared to the birds. That is about all I know of the subject.

By Pigeonpete (63.138.237.85 - 63.138.237.85) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit

A lot of these eyes on the web appear to be enhanced...

By Roly (62.253.32.7 - 62.253.32.7) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 02:25 pm: Edit

WELL I quickly scimped over the above post - Tom has a sense of humour after al lol - And when I saw the two eyes that Tom produced I quickly looked at the markings bit by bit and quickly to my satisfaction believed them to be the same eye. Now I can't see how enhancing can improve a birds capabilities for starters, but more importantly I'd like to know - purely for arguement sake - how enhancing is detrimental to viewing the eye? I felt, admit I'm a lay man, and personaly couldn't give a fickled rat's tail, but am interested in thae point that the eyes atributes being bettered is detrimental to eyesign thought. It just made it look clearer and easier to see as far as I am concerned, hence easier to study, whatever it is studied and looked at!

By Myron (152.163.252.98 - 152.163.252.98) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 02:49 pm: Edit

POBOR DID NOT QUITE,


HE'S LIVING IN LITTLE BELGIUM WITH THE BIG WHEELS.

I HAD MANY OF HIS BIRDS EYES WHICH I GAVE TO ANDY A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

THEY ARE REAL.

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 02:49 pm: Edit

I'm with you on that one Roly. One is a little easier to see and yet the value of the eye is the same to me. Same mountains & valleys & same spacing, etc. Little difference in color but I don't look too much for that.

Pete, I am not sure that the eyes are actually enhanced but whenever they are copied they change a little so that may have something to do with it.

At least we are now talking about eyesign again, yahoo!

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 02:53 pm: Edit

Myron, you are correct. He is on the short end from his airline distances in the results. By the way how are you doing? Sorry again about the loss of your wife.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 02:57 pm: Edit

Your last thoughts are correct Roly. Enhansing does make them easier to see and thus study and that's all it does, but with the right program you can alter the appearance all together.

Sending pictures through E-mail also changes them to some extent, and I even have a problem that the manufacturers cannot answer. I send a picture as a J-PEG, and it arrives at where I sent it as a bit map or what ever. Got em all stumped..

By Pigeonpete (63.138.237.85 - 63.138.237.85) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 03:37 pm: Edit

Is this enhancement for technical clarity or is it a marketing tool???

By Louis (209.226.39.172 - 209.226.39.172) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 05:35 pm: Edit

Marvin, there again is where your mistaken. It does not "SEEM" to me that the eyes are the same as the ones in the book. They are the same!! They are the exact photos!! Shit guys, maybe I am a "rocket scientist"!!! lol....

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 06:01 pm: Edit

Pigeon Pete. In Pobors case it was done to impress people with the excellent examples of eye-sign etc, but to me it was embarrassingly obvious.

And this is what does more harm to the subject than anything else. Especially if the guy happens to fly a good bird now and then.

By Myron (64.12.96.73 - 64.12.96.73) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 06:48 pm: Edit

HI MARVIN,

I'M DOING BETTER NOW & TRYING TO GET ALL PAPERWORK STRAIGHTENED OUT FROM THE PROPERTIES ENVOLVED. I HAD 3 DEATHS IN 2 MONTHS,& THIS HOPFULLY WILL BE THE END.

WHEN IT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF, WILL DO SOME TRAVELING & MIGHT EVEN SEE YOU SOMEWHERE.

I'LL BE AT THE AU CONVENTION IF YOU'RE GOING THERE IN FLA. NEXT FALL.

By Marvin (64.21.209.192 - 64.21.209.192) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 07:03 pm: Edit

Hi Myron, hope we do run into each other somewhere. Don't know if I will make it to Florida for the Convention or not. Would like to.

By Myron (64.12.96.73 - 64.12.96.73) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 07:25 pm: Edit

MARVIN,

IT'S A REAL GOOD TIME & PLENTY OF GUYS TO SEE & TALK TO.
BEEN THERE BEFORE WITH ABOUT 600 PLUS & BETTER PRESENT.
PLENTY TO KEEP YOU BUSY & THE CHOW IS GREAT. THE LADIES DO A FINE JOB.

By Marvin (139.55.151.84 - 139.55.151.84) on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 12:20 pm: Edit

Myron, yes I would love to go. I will just have to wait and see if I can get away.