| By Tonyd (64.231.9.8 - 64.231.9.8) on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 09:40 am: Edit |
Mike,
Thats a funny one. Just think maybe the elite athletes(human) are the dumb ones, training their bodies to the edge. Suffering injury just for fame and fortune, as well we are dumies for going to work everyday, why not be lazy and let the government take care of us.
On a serious note have you ever found that as a pigeon gets older it looses its racing edge,especially on short races.I have found this to be true, now is it because of age or they just know that they will get home no matter how fast they fly.
| By Mikev (142.140.249.222 - 142.140.249.222) on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 10:47 am: Edit |
Hi Tony. No one ever accused Ben Johnson of being a rocket scientist.
Is the idea of older pigeons slowing down another one of those things that people believe, so that is all they see, like hybrid vigour? I am not so sure it is true. How would we ever go about studying the effects of aging on race performance. Relying on memory is not good because once we "believe something" that is all we remember i.e. if we believe older pigeons slow down, we will remember the one time it happened and ignore or forget the 10 times it did not. Personally I find older pigeons easier to motivate and that is what determines the winners in the short ones, all else being equal.
| By Marvin (216.170.20.214 - 216.170.20.214) on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 11:50 am: Edit |
Mikev, we have discussed the idea of which birds really fly faster "smart or dumb" in our club for over 40 years. I at first had a theory that it might be the dumb ones. My experience however points towards the smart ones. I was reading somewhere the other day where the flyer said the better birds "had good manners". He defined it as "doing everything correctly". Sorry I don't remember who said that.
| By Tonyd (64.231.9.8 - 64.231.9.8) on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 12:29 pm: Edit |
Hi Mike,
Yes I agree that older pigeons are easier to motivate.Now what constitutes an older bird, I would say 4 years or older. Again how many people have a good number of 4 year olds.
Here is an example I have a hen 4 years old now.As a young bird she was coming well, as a yearling she did well too and was a day bird from Long Lac. As a two year old she started fooling around, I would see her come and she would leave again.Just before shipping for long lac I trained her 30 miles she came the next morning, that same week shipped her to long lac and she was a day bird again and didn't look tired at all. The third year again to long lac she came the second day but still good enough to win in the club.Now some would think of her as a good bird three times to long lac, twice on the day.She just keeps slowing down but as the distance increases she will speed up to make it sooner but she is never tired.I think she has just had it with me and does what she wants.
Smart or dumb you be the judge?
| By Mikev (142.140.249.222 - 142.140.249.222) on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 01:56 pm: Edit |
They are hard to figure out Tony. My best bird this year was a 4 year old and I kept him primarily on the sprint series.
Marvin. How do you tell a smart pigeon from a dumb one? Pondview makes his 18 day old squeakers walk a steep gang plank to find water, or they do without. He believes the smart ones find it first. He also belives that these "smart" ones will be the best racers, because they are smart. Personally, I would be surprised if finding the water first as an 18 day old squeaker had any coorelation to race performance, but he spends countless hours monitoring this behaviour every spring. I have never heard the conclusions from his research.
What I have noticed, is a bird with a particular personality trait or quirk or a strong character is often a good one. A bird that runs out into the hall as soon as you open the door, just to look around. Or sits on the basket while you are catching his loft mates for a training toss, or is the first out the trap or the last to come in on every loft fly. These individuals that stick out from the crowd are the ones I like to have. But that may just be nothing more than a personal bias as well.
P.S. I never said the dumb ones were better, I just asked how do we know if they are or not?
| By Marvin (216.170.20.214 - 216.170.20.214) on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 02:36 pm: Edit |
Mikev, the ones I consider smart seem to be able to communicate with me. For example once one of my water containers started leaking so they were out of water. As I walked close to the loft one my best birds kept flying up on the wire and following me as I walked by. He did not normally do that so I checked to see if they were out of feed and then checked the water. I like that expression "well mannered" it does seem to fit the good ones. I hope I find out who said that as I want to give him credit for the expression. Another example is wild smart birds or wild stupid birds. A wild smart bird may be that way because he was caught roughly sometime. He can be tamed down over time by being very careful with him. A wild stupid bird will never get over it no matter what you do. A wild smart bird is tricky but a wild stupid bird is just wild period. I guess as a law enforcement officer you see the same in people. I doubt that you have to give them an IQ test to tell which are smart and which are not???
| By Billytaylor (67.107.64.92 - 67.107.64.92) on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 07:56 pm: Edit |
It has been my experience that good racing birds will show as Ybs, Yearlings or older. To think a cull will come on in his later racing years is as dumb as thinking viagra will make you the lover you once believed. Lets race. Bye BillyT
| By Roly (217.46.163.65 - 217.46.163.65) on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 06:53 am: Edit |
By Mikev (142.140.249.222 - 142.140.249.222) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 03:54 pm: Edit
I agree that the winds definitely favoured Ottawa in the 2004 Upper Canada National. ...
Enoughs enough lol .
Been of the web for a while. seems I have A lot to catch up on.
My P.c will be back from menders via early next week I hope.
Good to see bob back .....
| By Roly (217.46.163.65 - 217.46.163.65) on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 06:59 am: Edit |
Blooming seen everything NOW!!! LOL
By Billytaylor (67.107.64.84 - 67.107.64.84) on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 06:43 pm: Edit
Terry agree that the wind will effect the race on a normal race. As I have argued with Oscar and Roly many times.
It took a trip here and the conditions that effected SHIPS to make the 'Hard Headed Stubborn' lad to get the gist lol. But alls wells that ends well and it is good to see Even Billy does take stock of reality lol
| By Pondviewloft (66.185.85.73 - 66.185.85.73) on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 01:20 pm: Edit |
We DON'T have very many champions We can tell a poor pigeon and usually a champion bird, it s the ones inbetween that cause the problems. Take a young bird loft with 10 perches per row and 6 rows and see if any of your so called champions come from the bottom row. Then keep track of birds with heavy feather mite and see if any are champions. The smart and best kept are usually found on top row How come????
| By Jimmyoz (211.29.64.160 - 211.29.64.160) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 04:42 am: Edit |
Pondview
Dominance!!!
Jimmyoz
| By Mreyesign (198.81.26.6 - 198.81.26.6) on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit |
The birds themselves will let you know which are your best by the respect they pay the aristocrats amongst them. Top perches for example.
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 05:03 am: Edit |
Yep 'Aristocrats' . Top Perches. I agree there Bob mucker.
Best bird I ever had - Did mate till he was two - was Always 'King' of the loft and ALL seem to know their 'Pecking Order'.
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 05:07 am: Edit |
Well I was busy - am still busy - building me new loft. Took nigh a week overall to complete the base, which has now actually be done.
Too ill to dig the trenches so I will build them inside of the loft.
Putting up the outer sides next...
The biggest nest challenge as I forsee it will be the Chimneys1
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:49 am: Edit |
Thought about colouring it the same . but won't.
It will be 28 ft x nine and is tailor made for 5 sections.
- Was going to have 4 Identical, which is obviously the best idea, but too much hard work for me. -
Now will have a Breeding section, 2 widowerhod cock section - which wi be a first for me - and one hen section. and a Y/b section that can be split or Nest bowls fited, as I decide. It will be again tailored made for the Dark system in case I wish to have a go at that - be another first lol.
The breedind section will also duedicate as a Natural section so I may fly both later.
Of course Both sexes will be race on a kind of double widower Hen / Cock style.
| By Marvin (216.170.20.214 - 216.170.20.214) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 02:55 pm: Edit |
Roly, why the dark system? Is it better than the light system? Seems to me you would get the same results without haveing to have extra ventilation fans for the dark.
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 05:18 pm: Edit |
Well, as I see it, every thing is natural ... just a slight variation made on the loft lighting wise ... can be out most of the day the caled in and tainted natural ight is just enough to feed and water them selves. No need for anything artifial like. Fans, well there are two reasons why I am having fans installed.
One to relay and help with Tempreture control and secondary, they will help to circulate Air when no wind or breeze.
They will be installed not only in the bottom partician of each section. but more importantly in the actually chimney's.
Every thing is of importance, but FRESH AIR is utmost forward to my way of thinking.
If I cold trap and race to a tree I would.
Seen very sucessful lofts that are just aireries with nest boxes.
A brilliant National winner from Derby use to just have a circle of Nest boxes on poles in as good as a field.
He took all the beating as every bird was ever conscious of his / her nieghbours.
Only ever flew as a school as as quick as one landed they all did. As soon as one took off they all did.
One inside the nest box the other outside keeping guard.
Talk about hiegtening all their senses to a razor sharp and peak condition.... Let me assure you and every one, you would have a job to better it.
| By Billytaylor (67.107.64.108 - 67.107.64.108) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 06:29 pm: Edit |
Roly loft sounds fine. The more ventilation at the bottom and top you can get will ensure no repiratory problems and the birds wont mind the wind except if rain blows in. Seen mine with wind in the loft so strong they could hover and they loved it. Lets race. Bye BillyT
| By Mikev (69.198.220.117 - 69.198.220.117) on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 09:08 pm: Edit |
David R.
The package we discussed is in. I will see tomorrow after dinner if you are home.
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 04:54 am: Edit |
Very True Billy Boy.
Draughts and rain blowing in ... Like I posted I change just the Roof last season - as waited for new nieghbours to move in, for permission to block of their 'Right of Way', had from permission from previous neighbour, but had to wait in case the new on wouldn't give their consent - any way the loft got saturated. Nowt wrong with the roof, the best money could 'nick', but it was ill laid, wasn't over hung and of course the wier mesh along the front let in rain as well as air.
Was changing pallets twice a week to give them some dryness in the loft. but of course the Wet, damp air took more than it's toll and played havoc with their health. Never of course got them real fit and conditioned let alone race fit.
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 03:52 pm: Edit |
Greetings All
The Yearling National is scheduled to be flown tomorrow from Matheson. Three of four trailers are at the release point, yet it is unlikely that we will see a joint release and even more unlikely that we will see any overall result. Why? We could have a club result, a combine result and a "National (Provincial) result with 3000 birds and a couple hundred lofts, as easy as clicking a few internet buttons, but no. Why?
Is it because of:
Jealousy? (not my idea so I will not support it)
Power? (I am not in complete control so I will resist)
Small mindedness? (I want to be a big fish in a small pond)
Ignorance? (I might lose a pigeon)
Fear? (I might get beat)
Bloodymindedness (I am just a naysayer)
I would be interested in hearing some theories.
| By Spuggy (209.239.5.186 - 209.239.5.186) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 10:12 pm: Edit |
No one likes winners except the winner. Best bird on the day wins. The bigger the competition the better. What else is there?
| By Spuggy (209.239.5.186 - 209.239.5.186) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 10:24 pm: Edit |
On another note. Your 800 miler going again this year? I cannot compete with yearlings but I can next year with 2 year olds. Hopefully it is not scrubbed?
| By Davebooth (165.154.153.54 - 165.154.153.54) on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 07:18 am: Edit |
Hi Mike:Let them all go together & may the best bird win.Thats what competition is all about.everyone gets their day.
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 07:32 am: Edit |
Whatever the reasons there maybe, the reality is in real terms it is very detrimental to the whole sport as a whole, and them clubs in particular.
Nothing helps better to strengthen any sport than 'Competition'. When the greater lack lies is where the quicker end becomes.
| By Oscar (149.99.163.58 - 149.99.163.58) on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 08:21 am: Edit |
So true Roly , but the most progressive ( and competetive ?? ) combines , the UNC & OVC did have their joint release this morning at 6.45 from Matheson , weather conditions were very good , sunny with a light head / side headwind and temps going 30+ degrees here ( 86+ F. )
| By Jimm (64.229.9.226 - 64.229.9.226) on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 09:07 am: Edit |
Congratulations to the UNC and the OVC for their progressive..competivness.
Now if I could get the my own combine to come around to the above I also could get in on the bettering of my Own racers.
Suprising how some fliers don't see it that way..that it would improve their birds..instead of going the way of Mike's list?
Of course these are my Own thoughts and not of my competitors..lol
Good luck at Matheson
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 10:22 am: Edit |
A Big fish in a small pond is and always will be just that ... but them they are scare they might get gobbled up if they venture out.
I liken that a lotto the 'Bullies' nature and make up.
Whilst he dishes out he becomes disliked ... then dishes out THAT as the excuse and often has the gull to lame the blame elsewhere via the saying' WEER I would but the others wouldn't' That is a lame duck for just that blaming others for his own views. And remember the bulies traits, when he sees what he inflict, he cries shy and dosen't want any back. FOR he sees first hand the effects.
Yep well done to the UNC and the OVC, that his the only way to go in my book.
| By Jimm (64.229.113.117 - 64.229.113.117) on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 12:51 pm: Edit |
Agree Roly..these members are always it seems looking out for the Other..fliers.
Just my thoughts
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 11:08 am: Edit |
Hi Hal
Yes, the Bathurst race is a go for this year again and also in the cards for next year, so get your two year olds ready. I posted the details on the other string. We have also had some discussion on a north race from the Artic coast 100 or so miles north of Radission. Should be about 800 miles to most. Also a N/W race from Pickle Lake as far north as the highway in Ontario allows. Due north of Thunder Bay and about 700 to 750 miles. The plan is to make these three stations the long distance triple crown.
I am quite pleased that the joint release was successful from Matheson this past week. The weather and the south winds proved an excellent test. I am real anxious to see who the overall winner will be. Can Dave Tichborne and Ron Hastie work together to produce a joint result? I hope so.
EOC and UNC are jointly in Hearst this coming Saturday (unless the EOC liberators exercise the option of a mid day Friday release). Lets hope for another joint venture.
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 11:28 am: Edit |
Hi All
As predicted the joint release by OVC and UNC at Matheson has generated major turbulence. The telephone lines are burning. Even though I personally had nothing to do with the release, I was called on the carpet last night by the Combine President. Classic case of "kill the messenger". No joint result is yet in sight.
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:19 pm: Edit |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke
Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797)
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:21 pm: Edit |
The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles.
Ayn Rand
| By Peterl (216.209.146.132 - 216.209.146.132) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 03:53 pm: Edit |
Hi Mike,I think the EOC Hearst release is always the same day as Longlac weather permitting.
I am not sure evil is an appropriate term to use regarding joint releases....however our club will always be in favour of as many joint releases as possible but our combine remains in the dark ages.
I hope to fly Bathurst again if I can arrange shipping....Keep up the good work there are many progressive flyers who support your efforts!!
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 04:28 pm: Edit |
Hi PeterL
Thanks for the encouragement. I think that participation of the EOC would be critical to make the Rodger's proposal work for the sponsers. The EOC has released Longlac and Hearst on the same day the last couple of years, but it was not always that way. Not too long ago it was always Longlac Friday and Hearst Saturday and that option remains open to the discression of your liberators even today. I understand there were a lot of unhappy campers over the 9:15 release at Hearst last weekend with so few day birds. Perhaps the liberators may revert back to the different day releases next time. In any event, in order for full participation in the Rodger's proposal, there is no question that some schedules will have to be juggled slightly. That is where the open mind and the will of the majority will have to prevail. If not, nothing will happen.
Let me know about Bathurst. I am reserving the air cargo space on June 20th.
| By Jimm (64.229.151.102 - 64.229.151.102) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 09:02 pm: Edit |
I won't fault our liberater..because it was the majority that was at the fall meetings who wanted to try for the two releases on the Friday..I do believe there may be some changes to revert back to the Sat.liberation at Hearst ..as Mike has said..the EOC did do a two day release..we just changed in the last couple of years.
Good luck on the Bathhurst race.
| By Peterl (216.209.146.55 - 216.209.146.55) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 09:53 am: Edit |
Yes Jimm Gerry has done an excellent job as liberator and no one implied he was at fault...As for the Hearst race I would rather have a next day release.
Mike, we can only hope the EOC will see the wisdom of joint releases.Not sure they want to hear anything the Muskoka club has to say.
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 09:54 am: Edit |
Hi Jimm
Fault the liberator??? I must be the most misunderstood person in the world. I have never, and never would fault a liberator on a release/hold decision. I have done the job and understand how difficult it is and all the considerations that go into the decision to release or hold. Once the decision to release is made, it is no longer relevent. It is done. History. Those that bemoan and second guess and arm chair quarterback release decisions with the benefit of hindsight make me sick to my stomach. I have never met a liberator who was deliberately trying to ruin a race or lose a bird. It is the worse and most thankless job in the hobby. Peter and I were merely discussing the dates and schedules as they relate to possible joint releases. I was pointing out the history and flexibility available to the EOC liberations. Please do not in any way translate that as some kind of a critisism. Particularly of a liberation decision. Man, I can't win. Everything I say is taken the wrong way. I wonder why that is??
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 09:59 am: Edit |
Hi Peter
I think I am in the same boat as the Muskoka Club. I have sure worn out my welcome with the EOC. How do you spell P-A-R-I-A-H?
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 10:15 am: Edit |
Well you must be one hell of a RIGHT good Guy Mike.
Otherwise you would be left as if 'Slumbering'!
Yep seems to me you Must be getting your views over and most importantantly they must be view as being correct and 'Right'!
Nah joy in a wrong person being pulled over the coals. It is what was to be expected and is just boring ... Now on the other hand .... lol!
| By Jimm (64.229.183.204 - 64.229.183.204) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 10:34 am: Edit |
LOL..Mike nothing implied from this end and I know you respect the liberators..one and all.
One job I would avoid like the plague.
Peter..I would have to agree with you on this one..I personaly would like to see a schedual and thinking overall for joint liberations...I do believe it would make for better birds.
As Mike has learned ..hard to change Set minds..lot of times you wonder if it is worth the agravation that develops for no reason by just putting new ideas forward..or old ideas..lol
You realise I speak only for myself and not my club as often I get voted against but am expected to forward the Club's ideas..which I try to do ..until the free vote..lol.
Have mentioned to the members about not shooting the messenger..but they think I am only kidding and have to be reminded.occationaly.
My voice and vote is only "one" but I have no problem speaking up I hope and maybe being heard..but you can only be shot so many times..lol
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 11:03 am: Edit |
Hi Jimm
I know you are one with an open mind that enjoys discussing ideas new and old. I appreciate your involvement. Keep plugging away. Every little bit helps.
"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little."
Edmund Burke
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 11:13 am: Edit |
Hi Roly
Not sure how much of a "good guy" I have been viewed of late by some over this side of the pond lol, but your observations are spot on.
Three and half months until your Canada trip. Looking forward to it already. I am thinking we should call a joint meeting of all the combines and have you make a key note address, like Bush did with the Canadian Parliment. Think you could set us straight?
Bill B. has been quiet lately. Rodger's has been trying to set up a Sunday Breakfast meet but old Billy B is a scarce commodity. He must be concentrating on his newly created overall Combine that for the first time ever in including a full trailer result. That is what I consider a great step forward. There is still some overall progress being made in the sport over this way.
Check out his results at:
http://www.nrrpa.com/north_road_000007.htm
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 02:54 pm: Edit |
Set you straight! ... Nah, more like add more coal to the fire lol.
Unfortunately the one that have / or have had a measure of sucess, no matter how much or how little, have followers. These very same ones are oft the very ones who are 'Stumbling Blocks' for the majority! And Why? Well because they are afraid any change will take a mite of the Spot light' away from themselves. And their Followers vote as persuaded. By the one whom have had the sucess!
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:15 pm: Edit |
Yes Interesting reading that Mike.
Mind I'd personally, instead of the Weather being left Blank, would have like to have seen that also recorded in each race. Likewise, indeed especially the Wind.
Again I feel the part recorded saying 'Lofts not recording etc. left blank instead.
Folks quickly look through to note these things if so inclined.
My views and thoughts only like.
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:33 pm: Edit |
People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest.
Hermann Hesse
Swiss (German-born) author (1877 - 1962)
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:36 pm: Edit |
Hi Roly
That is one of the good things about racing in Canada. 90% plus of all race results are published annually in the Canadian Racing Pigeon Union yearbook and so stories can be confirmed and verified. False claims of success are rare as a consequence. Some still try, but they are generally called to account.
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 09:49 am: Edit |
.... 'overall Combine that for the first time ever in including a full trailer result'.....
Now that part statement in it's self is quite a mouthfull.
That to me is the empitome of Racing. The fuller the Transporter means Less Cost per bird - Or monies put towards ...!
The more the birds the better the racing and MAKE no mastake the Higher the standard ALL around.
More the whetting of the appetite for more and better 'Glory'.
Club / Fed / Almal / Combine Sections and or of Named National!
And you know once established it is only a little extra effort for a hell of a lot more.
The 'ole timers' dwell of the Banters and social element of Bigger, Better and stronger Clubs in Days gone by. When wifes and kids went along and waited with bated breathe .... and often it was only Provisional results on night, as Mental was the order as to-days gadgets working out of the velocities ... so the excitment was on till Monday night when he ole man got in ...
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 11:10 am: Edit |
Seems a no-brainer Roly, yet some ...........
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 11:06 am: Edit |
So we see him in the corner or aside of the table, speaking quietly with a self assured smirk of being - at this moment of time - a little special. The air that once or twice he had a Swallow ... but seldom if ever a summer. Yet 2/3 lessers of him hang onto every word.
HE will speak curteously and be one of the lads with the Better / real flyers. Ever so careful only to state the lines of 'Safety' that augers well for being Knowledgeable. He has his back patters, he'll breed and sell them crap(supposedly cheap) or even relief him self of a old crap hen or cock bird to do them a favour for free and convinces them he is Flabergasted that they haven't done better with them, and offers more so called tried and tested scenarios. AND they again relish the fact he has 'time' for them even though they aren't doing HIS birds justice. But what a guy ...! But them again his birds are NOT doing Him justice EITHER! ... but of of course with glib tongue he explains, AND THEY BELIEVE why!
What fly in Larger Clubs, What have joint releases! A 'Combine'!! I should co - coa, it's blumming hard enough to hold onto the 'Back Slappers' as it is ... but then again that crew haven't only a odd swallow once in a while, so they are all happy being in the eddy of a small pond!
THEY ARE the ones that hold back the others and STOP others from progressing.
They won't don'y or can't so they WILL stop the others!
| By Mikev (142.140.249.173 - 142.140.249.173) on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 12:47 pm: Edit |
Hi Roly
Is it them, or the vast silent majority that allow them to get away with it by sitting on their hands and saying nothing?
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 04:02 pm: Edit |
The silent, vast silent majority are the lemons that follow the Weanie scare babies who want to remain a Big Tiddler in the eddy of a small stream.
Fine when they out grow them ...
You know it was/ is like when there are votes for more distance races.
The ones who won't fly it any way vote against them and normally it is out voted. Now the silly selfish small minded cretins that won't fly it STOP those that would and want to. The mere FACT that there can / could be easily arranges another 'Short Distance race on the same day which ALL could and probably would race is lost to their feeble selfish Minds and THEY vote the longer RACES out! Why ... Brain dead, but the wanton feeling of being able to dictate what THEY think is best, ... namely what they may be able to compete in. So if they can't ... lets have the match abandon or I'll take mmy ball home!
So One proposes a 580 Mile race. On the same ady a 178 mile race! Those that have no intentions of flying the 580 miler spout out till those that feel they haven't the birds to fly it for some strange inexplicablr reason either abstain their vote and spout crap like' Well I thought AS I wouldn't be flying it I didn't think it fair I voted! EH Brain dead... Well mislead should we say. AND he that won't Fly it votes against it!!! Why?
We say in our club those who aren't interested in flying .... 'Please put your hands up ....' Then we say 'Please don't vote either way only those interest vote as to which Race Point you prefer / date or whatever. There is always ample of other races they can fly in ''' Or we have the two races that day. Sprint and Distance or whatever. Mind we are only just getting there. At 'National Leval we struggle ... But now most are realising to sell there birds they need a bit of distance added. Days of 90% sprints are becoming in the minority. Some still don't understand that ... but there sales are telling there loud and clear... Just a matter of time till they get it! 'Ehh um... they dorn't seem interested in my birds... I won a few sprints too ... Uoger Macallit only one a couple of distance birds and they are queueing up there ... Um er ... ' Dumbo lol
| By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 05:57 pm: Edit |
http://www.racingpigeonmall.com/loft/articles/braspenning.html
Another little gem eh!