By Myron on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 02:37 pm: Edit


BILLY,

THE REASON WE HAVE HAD ALL THESE HEATED DISCUSSIONS IS, BECAUSE THOSE OF US WHO WERE INTENT TO CHANGE THOSE THAT WOULD NOT LEARN SOMETHING NEW, STILL HAVE NOT CHANGED.

THE MAIN REASON FOR "NOT" HAVING TO TEST YOUR BIRDS AS YOU PRESCRIBE, IS BECAUSE WITH "EYESIGN", THERE IS NO NEED TO TEST EVERY BIRD THAT YOU WANT TO "BREED" FROM. THERE ARE MANY GOLDEN BREEDERS LOST OR INJURED, BECAUSE THE MANAGER DID NOT SEE THE LIGHT BEFORE HIM.
THIS LIGHT WILL SAVE YOU MUCH MONEY & TIME. THE OLD MASTERS DID IT JUST THIS WAY, BECAUSE THEY KNEW, WHAT "NOT" TO RACE & KEEP FOR BREEDING.
THERE ARE ONLY A SELECT FEW GREAT BREEDERS TO CHOSE FROM & IF YOU LOSE THEM RACING, THAT'S TIME DOWN THE TUBES. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IF YOU HAD A SO CALLED EXPERT, TELL YOU IN ADVANCE NOT TO RACE THE BIRD & YOU DID & LOST IT, HOW WOULD THAT MAKE YOU FEEL.
Well At least I am puting it it in the right place FOR A CHANGE!!!
As usually my interlect is for Eye sign alone and as such ALL my postings out of context or in the wrong heading will be placed here

By Roly on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 07:24 am: Edit

Lose them THEM racing!!! ? ## Well I'd be glad I've lost them. Saved on the corn bill and time effert and money on the culls.... LET alone wishing they were needed for a Stock LOFT!!
No 90% of the time the Best pigeons are in your loft!! WHERE ELSE?
he 10% ?
Well they could have been culled for poor eye sign, over raced and asked too much too often, OR your friend has conned you out of them.....
Or they have like Billy's Hen are on a test of honourable merit.
I'll tell you what, any descendents of that hen are well thought of, and I'd bet are in the stock loft.

By Myron on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 08:25 am: Edit

ROLY,

I DON'T NEED YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TELLING ME WHERE TO POST.

AND IF YOUR GOING TO ADD COMMENTS TO THE END OF MY ARTICLES, SIGN YOUR NAME AS SUCH.

YOU FALL INTO THE RUT OF """""""" YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS"""""""""""

IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I WRITE "" DON'T READ IT". IF YOU DO READ IT.""" DON'T COMMENT"".

THANKS MYRON

By Hoover on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 11:24 am: Edit

I agree with you Mr. Roly, lost birds from training/racing is the best way to cull, and who cares if they cannot make it home. Just curious to know if eyesign really helps Mr. Myron of the "CAPITAL LETTERS" in selecting breeders and racers without race them off hand, so I guess his loft is now full of top winners only, and his pocket is surely as big as he can sales youngsters bred off from his ever BEST breeders LOL. Furthermore, it is sad but true reading Mr. Silvio's article quoted as follow: "However, before the eye sign experts are exposed, they deliver a powerful story: "You know I have handled 10,000, 20,000, 50,000 pigeons in my lifetime. I have studied the eyes of more birds than you have ever seen. Actually, more birds than I care to ever see." Then these self-same wizards assert that they can remember, if not the eye of every bird they have ever handled, at least 50% of all the eyes of all the birds they have ever handled. Imagine 20,000 to 100,000 eyes committed to memory. No doubt every eye has been photographed, digitized, and color corrected—Adobe Photoshop can work wonders on improving color, depth, and anything else you would like to see in an eye—and placed on file for detailed commentary and future study. What? It hasn’t? The rest of us poor mortals find it hard to describe and illustrate the colors of the eyes of our wives and children! Oh, yes, but then we do not proclaim the special attributes that these pigeon Grand Pooh-bahs do! Yes, this, no doubt, is science." So come my .2 cents: feed your birds, clean your loft, band your youngsters, trap your birds for tomorrow training, then go out to have a booze and lets alone leave the eyesign myth for Mr. Myron of the "CAPITAL LETTERS", hahahaha.

To Mr. Myron, I personally have not reading your posts, and if I have, I definitely will not pay much attention to what you wrote, because your words simply make no sense. Yeah, we still have Mr. Fleming out there to answer our eyesign concern, as far as he knows and cares of what is he talking about, and most important, he is no big mouth! Before I forget, one should never use CAPITAL LETTERS posting to public discussion forum, unless he is really angry about something. That is the basic rule of the Cyberspace, makes people at least polite to others. Yes, I do feel being disturbed by these F**KING BIG CAPITAL LETTERS of your posts. Now it is your turn to prove that you are not slow learner... never mind if you are. Have fun.

By Roly on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 01:21 pm: Edit

Myron I shall continue to re - post your Postings when not in the appropiate heading. It will come as a Shock - which you will in your ignorance ignore - that other people post on the topics that they wish to enlighten, or be enlightened upon under the headings specificated because that IS WHAT they at that time wish to hear about and discuss.
You as ever bring in Eye sign the only topic you care about NEEDLESSLY quickly and abort further peoples enjoyment and the chance to hear about the things they wish to. Not very many are really into eyesign believe it or not, many just bear it as a THERE maybe, just maybe something to it.
So let others ON other Topics the decency to elaberate on the topic chosen, and Eye sign to remain where it is tolereated.
I shall start - ONCE AGAIN - another Topic on eye sign which again I wager you won'tcare to answer the points put forward.
And yes it was me testing your I.Q.

By Billytaylor on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 02:25 pm: Edit

Roly my Matey and Hoover bite your tongue. We are blessed to have My friend Myron of the large letters and Fleming on here. If you can get past their fixation on eyeballs you can learn a lot form these good people. Not a doubt in my feeble mind these two know pigeons. No need to insult, leave that to experts. Me. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Mreyesign on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 03:43 pm: Edit

To Hoover. I just want to correct some of the things in your post that are smeared with some of your friend Silvios Bull shit.I have seen over a million eye's and can remember several hundred of the finest examples of each catagory I saw. I have proven this on numerous occasions when birds that I had graded years beforehand were re- submitted for grading again. Not hundreds of thousands as your friend is saying, and only the outstanding eye's which never leave your memory when seen for the first time especially but, not hundreds of thousands of them. Your friends problem is like so many others who can't understand or be bothered learning the subject. He sit's and applies his own reasoning to what he cannot understand and because his MEGA sized EGO and MAMOTH sized opinion of himself prevents him from simply asking questions like any normal human being. He forms his own conclusions and then states these as being fact, because he figured it out so it must be right. I don't mean to sound boastful but, I have graded most of the top lofts in this country and and many hundreds of other top ones around the world. I do not advertise my services. Altogether, the lofts I have graded in the U S alone, number in the thousands. Does your friend honestly believe that he knows better than all these top pigeon people that they are all being fooled by me. Because if he does. HE'S AN IDIOT. And that goes for anyone who listens to his stupid ravings which are nothing more than his own conjecture and conclusions derived from his total lack of knowledge of the very thing that has distroyed his little feather merchant market. Appart from being a book salesman. What is his claim to fame? What has he done to deserve this recognition as an authority of sorts that he is demanding? I can find no record of him having done anything that warrants recognition except that he reads a lot. He is nothing more than the usual run of the mill self proclaimed pigeon expert? what has he done that qualifies him to stand in judgement over most of the best pigeon men in the history of the sport. I wouldn't even begin to name them as this site would be filled up with their names. But, I will state here and now for the record that. I have NEVER met a top pigeon man who was not either a firm believer or at very least, most knowledgeable in the subject. As for your mentioning about colour enhancement photos on the net. You will have to speak to Pete Pobor about that, he does an excellent job of it. They stand out like beacons in the dark. I do not post pictures because of this fact plus, I do not have the know how. My pictures, all 9000 of them, are on 35mm glass slides which do not come on line to my satisfaction. The collection is made up of pictures of some of most of greatest pigeons that ever lived together with their parents and grand parents. Winners of every major event in the world and the parents of them also. Breeders of unbelievable records like the "Ultimate Breeding" eye posted here. Newly discovered eye's and eye's that took us into new areas of discovery which are still undergoing strict observations before being announced to the general population. Daves new aspect recently announced on this site for e g. Welcome aboard but. If you wish to do this right, talk to Tom M. His pictures are equal to the best in the world. The definition is too good.

By Roly on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 04:03 pm: Edit

Never doubted that Billy - EVEN stated and posted as such - but I do say that others, me included would like a topic to stay on the basis of what it is intended, and at least let it run it's course without the inevitable Myrons' AH YES but EYESIGN.......' We all see and and thoughts enough, and will hopefully continue to be able to.... but 'Everything in it's own course.
And yes Myron has of late posted some good information, helpful in many other regards.... But has cut dead many other worthwhile topic via spouting Eyesign will, would, could....
I think we will all soon be posted either before, 'Without eyesigns' help' Or at the end of each posting 'Besides the Eyesign theory', or perhaps 'Eyesign thoughts already posted.. please lets' have other views'!!

By Roly on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 04:06 pm: Edit

Myron I reserve the right, like you, to answer any posting I wish to......... hopefully when posted or answered in the appropiate topic heading.
Why else or bother to have 'Headings'?
What is / or was the time wasted to put them up in the first place if completely ignored?

By Myron on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 04:07 pm: Edit

TO ALL THOSE WHO MIGHT FIND IT EASIER TO READ LARGER LETTERS WITH PROPER SPACING I WRITE FOR YOU.
FOR THOSE WHO THINK DIFFERENTLYkissmyass.
to theignorant bastards whoknow not what they write.KISS MY ASS ALSO.TO THOSE THAT THINKIPOSTED INTHEWRONGPLACE. UP YOURS.!!!!!!

TO THE DUMB SHIT NAMED HOOVER OR WHATEVER, YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ANYONE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNTIL YOU LEARN THE SUBJECT YOURSELF. YOU ADIMT YOU DON'T KNOW,YET USE THE WORDS OF OTHER ASSHOLES & BULLSHITTERS TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK BIG OR TO FIT IN WITH THE BOYS.
DOING THIS ONLY MAKES YOU INTO A BIGGER, ASSHOLE THAN YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE.

ANY & ALL DUMB ASSHOLE SHITS WHO WANT PROOF OF WHAT CAN BE DONE, JUST PAY FOR MY SENIOR TICKET & WE'LL SEE WHO KNOWS WHAT ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT HAND.

KISS OFF M-F

By Roly on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 04:39 pm: Edit

Oh there! ....... for the benefit of the intellectuals of eyesign... what an advert lol.

By Roly on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 04:44 pm: Edit

Don't know about the 'Proper spacing' though!
write.KISS THAT THINKIPOSTED ALSO.TO KNOW,YET
theignorant DIFFERENTLYkissmyass. Etc.
Just Joshing lol

By Mikev on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 06:01 pm: Edit

Hi Roly and Hoover. Have to disagree with your conclusions about losing pigeons. Roly, you certainly know better. Fly any pigeon long enough and you will lose it, for a fact. The very best 500 mile champion can and often has been lost from a short toss. Life on the race team is a fragile thing. Every time we turn them loose, we put them at risk. If you cannot afford to lose a pigeon, don't race it. I sure wish I could call a few back that I sent on the wrong day. I would gladly provide them their back wages in corn and double the serving twice over.

By Daveo on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 06:19 pm: Edit

Maybe MYRON has trouble seeing in lower case?So he types in CAPS.Give him the benifit of the doubt.I remember when David Rodgers first started on this site he always typed in CAPS because he could not see the small type.Then we all chipped in and bought him glasses lol.

By Billytaylor on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 06:58 pm: Edit

Myron, Myron all that ass kissing gives me chapped lips. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Daveo on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 07:20 pm: Edit

Somebody has to stick up for the guy sometime?Unless he enjoys the attenion?

By Roly on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 05:12 am: Edit

Mikev, there is off course truth in what you state. But by then if the bird is any good you will have taken the appropiate steps, you will have already it's blood in your loft, IF you haven't then it wasn't there long enough to prove itself as a Good bird...!!

By David on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 05:26 am: Edit

GOOD MORN DAVE O. you make a good point young or old if its the best breeder who wouldnt breed off it.SILVO LIKE ALL HERE HAS HIS BELIEFS SOME JUST SAY IT STRONGER THAN OTHERS. JUST LIKE HERE GIVE US A PENCIAL AND LOOK OUT.I HAVE MET HIM MANY TIMES AND HAVE BEEN TO HIS HOUSE HES A REAL GENT. TO ME THE MAIN POINT IS NOT HIS VIEWS ON EYE SIGN AS WE ALL HAVE THOSE GOOD AND BAD. I JUDGE HIM AND OTHERS ON WHAT THEY DO AND HAVE DONE FOR THIS WACKY SPORT OF OURS.SILVO HAS DONE MUCH MUCH MORE THAN MANY.YES HE HIT A NERVE ALSO WITH ME ON THIS TOPIC OF EYE SIGN.IAM THE DUMMY THAT TOOK IT PERSONAL. OVERALL HE GETS MY VOTE AS A MAN AND SOMEBODY GOOD FOR THIS SPORT OF OURS. THANK YOU DAVE OTTAWAY FOR THE GLASSES. DONT NEED THEM NOW IF THINGS GO AS PLANNED WILL SEE YOU SUNDAY AT BOOTHS.

By Myron on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 07:53 am: Edit

thanks to both daves for their kind understanding . i too, took it personal after 12 pages of being told how stupid i was. you don't have to go to collage to know how things are done in this world. those that don't go, have as better understanding of this.those that have little, far better understand this also.those who have much, think it's their place to tell you so.
i don't have a lot & never did, but what i have i'm willing to share with all, at no charge.

I DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT I SAY & THAT'S MY ONLY REASON TO BE HERE.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO DEMONSTRATE THIS FOR ANYONE WILLING TO LISTEN.
BUT, NO LONGER HERE.

By Roly on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 09:10 am: Edit

Sulking again Myron!! Most - me included - like your comments, appreciate your posting, would welcome a wider distributation of them.. in the right place.
I have / am setting up a topic forthe realisation, or lack of it, in a debatable and realistic forum. I would like your comments as ittakes of, and many of us will/should learn something!
Like how the fundemental principle of eyesign may be feasible in relation to the other parts, why and how this may be. The better understanding of the basis may well help to build a betterment and all round fundemental understanding of your favourite topic... or not, instead of the constant badgering of the end product.... which is alien because it serves no purpose without the knowledge of why or how it could be. Simply, help or sulk, and less shouting at the numskulls for not have having the fortitude or the priviledge of the understanding. I know how to drive a car. How to fix it, or why it goes wrong, the need of oil etc is alien. The basis may well enlighten me to be a better driver!
But if you spout only and then sulk...... sorry! Your'll be sadly missed. I thought that you might, just might, be a better man than that, that you may have had the balls to actually debate on your favourite subject - as to spout....... but as I posted seems not alas a lack.. Seems it will be mostly down to Bob! ?

By Roly on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 09:25 am: Edit

Mikev no I don't know that for a fact sorry.
I can name countless racers that have flew distance races 2/3 times a season till they have got to old.
7 times the Lerwicke, San Sabastion, Pau etc. Many birds of mine - after being broken - will again go the 600 plus this season. I have their blood now in the loft. I feel happier in the knowledge that they have ACTUALLY done it. Would I retire their young early, no! no way. If they can't do it too, they should ... or are the parents breeding duff ones?
Four of them I ought to just retire - 96 birds - but.... but I won't, every year will be their last season, but they will go this year 600 odd miles.
Yes I may well lose one or all of them, even like you say from a 20 mile chuck, even off the loft, but if they are in condition and keen they will have to go. I don't keep fantails, I have supposedly racers to race. If I had a stock loft I might have actually retired them four, but after their racing ays I will leave them to potter around as they like till they pass on.
But Mikev I do take your point and there is some merit in it... if you mean the more you take them the more chance of losing them!

By Roly on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 09:26 am: Edit

PS isn't them the kind of birds we all want? !! Well unless they do it, you will never have them, and unless they do it...... Your'll never know!

By Anonymous on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 11:22 am: Edit

Sometimes when feeling important,
When your ego is in bloom.
Them times when you take for granted
Your the best qualified in the room.
As if you feel your going
would leave an unfillable hole.
Just follow these simple instructions,
and see how it humbles your soul.
Take a bucket and fill it with water,
Then dip a hand in up to the wrist.
Pull it out, and the hole remaining
is a measure of how much your will be missed.
You can splash all you like when it enters.
You may stir up the water galore...
But stop, and your'll find in a moment
That it looks just the same as before.
The moral of this quaint example
is to do just the best you can.
Be proud of your self... but remember,
THERE is no indispensable man.

By Mreyesign on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:28 pm: Edit

Yea but, the dip shit what wrote that never met Billy Taylor, Roly and the rest of us perfect specimens. and Me. p s Myrons right this time. That Silvio could be the greatest human being in the world but that doesn't give him the right to stand in judgement over any one. I don't like being told i'm stupid and uneducated either. Perhaps I don't have a colledge education but, I know what the difference is between right and wrong and common good manners. The guy's nothing but a BIG MOUTHED SELF PROCLAIMED EXPERT WHO KNOWS NOTHING, EXCEPT WHAT HE READS, ABOUT PIGEONS. I repeat. What has he ever done to justify his demand for the recognition he so badly want's. NOTHING. HE HAS NO CLAIM TO FAME.He has no special skills within the sport. It's all Ego and HOT AIR. I'm a nice guy too who has done more than my share for the sport but, that was voluntary and doesn't mean anything and it certainly doesn't give me the right to stand in judgement of others. I'm with you Myron. This guy is infatuated with himself.

By Mikev on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 05:43 pm: Edit

Hi Roly. I agree with your last post. Fit birds have to go. If you can't afford to lose the bird, keep it home. You obviously can afford the gamble and should, of course, ship the bird. I myself breed only from my stock loft and therefore have no youngsters off my champion flyers until I retire them to the stock loft.

If I was striving to build my own family of winning pigeons then I would agree with Billy T's practice of breeding off several of your best flyers every year. But, not everyone is interested in building their own family of birds. Many people, for all kinds of reasons, dispose of all their birds in the fall and pick-up a young bird team the following spring and compete very well. Many roads lead to Rome.

By Bshuba on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 09:23 pm: Edit

Bob
Well as far as this fellow calling eye sign beleivers uneducated,stupid ect.There are some very smart people that study the eyes of humans,and they can tell just by the colors of the iris and whats in it about a great deal of ones health,kidneys,liver,heart,ect...These uneducated people are called Doctors,Some eye sign fellows as yourself/Myron ect have studyed the eyes of pigeons alot longer than some of these doctors have with humans.This I was reminded of BY our buddy Myron...

By Roly on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 10:18 pm: Edit

You know I really am puzzled. I never saw any reference to Myron or Bob in Silvios' posting. I never took offence that he may be a bit strong if in a little degrading way! Why because for the most of it it is 100% true. Many, if not indeed most are exactly like Silvio states. Take the blinkers off and lok around your selves.
What has he stated that is not logical? Instead of being affronted and all that bull crap, answer with logic. State whay you disagree.
I went through the posting and answered what I felt a normal realistic, and rational person would think.
I find nothing untowards in any of his writings.
Is it that the truth is that he has struck a cord!
He states realism. State why the context is out of order, not a natural attack of name aacalling an damnation of the mans' charactor.
Fact is by all accounts he is a first class fellow, a mite head strong and flippant.... but just look at the abuse he recieves for a posting that in no way reflects on any genuine person that can answer with a proper come back.
And Alan Wheldon or what ever his name may be, look at the instant reply and lashing he recieved, never mind that he may or may not fly a good pigeon, the mere fact that he post against eyesign was enough to bring a tolude of abuse.
Just where is this confidence in your beliefs to answer accordingly without the charactor assasination????? Seems to me that it may well be the fact that the answers aren't there!
Then a contradiction of Bob's who once posted that Spinkys - And Myron - what a good bloke he was etc. Then the attack on Boglin Marsh! Why?
And regardless of what one puffs and spouts, there are many great articles and writers on that site.
Come on now get real, or if the Kitchen feels a mite hot, get out if you can hack it. But lets have worth while and posative replies that address a worth while and balance reply instead of the cod's Whallop of pretence of Idignation.

By Bshuba on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 10:35 pm: Edit

ROLY
Not that I myself really care as opinions of any one are just that,Silvo made a comment about fanciers that beleive in eyesign are normally under educated type people.This is MY only problem with the guy,I've never met him and as you know there are all different kinds of people involved in our sport from all walks of life.ALAN WHELDON I made a comment under his beleives on eye sign and I did NOT Rag on him for not beleiveing in eye sign,I just said what I had found and beleived and That I don't critize those who don't beleive So don't critize those Who DO...SO I have No problem with him at all as I would think he would say about me.Just don't like some one thinking they are better than someone else because they have a believe in something,but I really hate those who call others Stupid or uneducated only because one don't believe as they do....I don't call you names when I don't agree with you,as you don't call me names for not agreeing with you....At least we don't write a article for all to see saying these bad things..Just My opinion on this....

By Roly on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 05:58 am: Edit

You know it's must be fact that it is - in all any walk of life - the uneducated ones that read and study any topice..... how else does one learn?
And very few are the ones in any trade / sport / venture that have an apittude or zest for learning. Many take like ducks to water, but few ever just naturally learn. This is what stands them apart surely! Seeing and understanding in no time what others never grasp in a life time.
And ignorance dosen't mean that there is an overall lack of intelligence IN ALL things, but in a percific one. Until learnt we all are in ignorance...... some never learn, but often excell in other walks of life and are top notches.
BUT NONE just start at the top and then rise even higher!

By Mikev on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 09:08 am: Edit

Hi Roly. No need to be confused. Silvio does not believe in eyesign because it does not make sense to him. He thought about it but never studied it. He has nothing to base his opinion on but calls for someone to convince him. This is impossible as he has decided that eyesign has no merit. He is provided with example after example of how eyesign proved helpful and he dismisses all evidence with a wave of his hand claiming it is not "scientific" or it is just andecdodal. For you to say that Silvio's article was not low brow and extremely insulting to those that enjoy playing with eyesign, makes me think that you are also speaking from a bias mind. Re-read the article Roly. If you still cannot find the insults, I will talk to Dave Rogers about sending over his new pair of glasses with Billy T in the Spring, your eyesight must be failing badly.

By Ron on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 09:35 am: Edit

To Mr. Myron. To increase the size of letter for easier writing/reading without using capital ones, it can be done with Microsoft Explorer just simple: Click on View > Text size > choose whatever you wanted. Hope it helps, and I will see how to do the same with Nescape Navigation.

By Hoover on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 10:10 am: Edit

Could we please shut this topic down guys, as it goes just too far. I see no point for us to be a polite guys keep talking/blaming other behind his back, better write him directly and tell how fuck he is if you care. I have no response to you Myron, well you can say anything you wanted, and even to shoot me with your shotgun, but still Silvio's article in regards of eyesign has the value itself. Call me NONBELIEVER, that is fine, but we please stop this! P.S. try what Ron suggested Myron, I think it should work.

By Daveo on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 11:12 am: Edit

For the sake of this disscusion,

I to know Silvio.He is indeed a honerable,honest gentleman and has done many good things for the sport.My knee jerk reaction to his article was also one of offence.I to enjoy eyesign and felt slighted at first.It is only his opinon how ever he came by it .I know the study of eyesign has helped me do better with the breeding of my birds and will continue to use it.

By Mreyesign on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 12:42 pm: Edit

To Roly. Hey Roly I am not or ever was down on the Boglin Marsh site. I mearly pointed out what one of the people who posted there (NIGEL CORWOOD) had said about a group of eye's which are shown as all being rec Violet. There isn't a Violet within a hundred miles of it and, if the guy concerned ever sees a real one, he will realize just how wrong he really is in his discriptions. The Boglin Marsh site is probably the best pigeon site on the whole internet, and has some of the best scribes in the world writing for it. Please, I hope I have made myself clear on this point Roly. My opinion of that Silvio ass hole remains the same and will always be. Infact it applies to all five of those idiots who have posted their unqualified opinions on a subject that they know nothing or at best, very little about. Two of them even admit this after they ridiculed it. Only complete fools do such things. By all means let people form an opinion, but please, base it on something more than just their own belief and understanding. Show us what you did to make you have no beliefe and together we can probably sort out the problem. But, to give advice to others when you don't even know or understand the very basic's of the subject is wrong. If the word stupid has to be applied, then apply it to those who do such things.

By Roly on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 01:47 pm: Edit

I am not for or against eyesign as most well know, especially in the very basis and reality WE know NOWT! But must form and have an opinion as to what the merits may or may not have, and deduce for our selfs. One thing that brings the Eye Sign brigade down quicker than anything is the ridicule and bad mouthing of any one who posts - where ever - against it.
THEY are entitled to be as forceful in their feelings as the next. If they feel that inexperience, novices may learn bad things and waste time going down a long road to no where then I understand their concern. Also one line dosen't make a universe, and the mere fact that Silvio stands to be counted I appreciate. The Fact that in other ways he does god for the sport is a credit. And if over the top then it is because some take it personally.... because they wish not to be tainted with the Tar many have brought and brush this sport with.
Bob you your very self are fiercely beligerent against the 'Quacks' for want of a better word... on many occassions. Bet I could name a few without going through the postings.
In your last post again you brought a reason for your dislike against another so - called Eye Man.
HE does a fair bit of winning by whatever use he employs. And Silvio does state why - abiet his opinion - why he feels there is no reasonable foundations - in his opinion for Eye sign. Eye sign specialists should be above it and take it in their stride. He did I admit give a broad shot, but it wasn't as I read it a braodside against Any one and everyone, no far from it.... more the Quacks who are misleading in his opinion, fools who know no better.
The sad truth and bottom line is undoubtedly is that there are too msny quacks and sellers, egoistic and therefore dangerous people around that many do need protecting from!

By Billytaylor on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 04:44 pm: Edit

Why if all you ignorant, uneducated, unenlighted morans dont believe what I say, You are all doomed to the back of the bus. Now take that and put it in your first grade primer or better still in the dark recesses of your spinster teacher. Opinions now on a pay as you go basis since Roly and I are incorporated. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Mreyesign on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 07:28 pm: Edit

Now your starting to sound like a drop out from HE-HAW Taylor. Go clean the lofts out and do something useful. And don't forget, CULL, CULL, CULL.Every day.

By Roly on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 07:29 am: Edit

Yes and I agree lets ALL drop the topic of charactor liking / disliking, and glean what we can from AL posts that may convey some enlighenment.
No one, and I mean NO - ONE cannot but help but learn from Every one else here that posts on this site. I have took note of very many little tib-bits from this site. And some I will try to test.
I am still in two minds whether to RACE proper this year or try out one or two other niggling things I wish to experienment on.
I believe - well it has been my expierence - that many things aren't tried purely because it can't be fitted within the Normal! system of doing things the way one would wish. Hence it disrupts the WHOLE season.
And as I have posted changes should be only slight and few at a time to be tested. Any little change can make or break a system and ruin your set up . indeed it can once lost be very hard, and long to restart from the point you had obtained.
But Also if you don't try....... So in reality one strives to better the last season with caution. This then means -for most - that they tread careful and LISTEN to others for the expierence and logic to incorporate rather than taking the time OUT to try for themselves.
Me I decided to take time out and put my thoughts into practise.... Still flew well fortunately, AND now KNOW that if I had flew more the last season it would have possiblely have been my best ever. I would most weeks say 'Send just SO and SO...... then sent none. I chucked unraced birds - which as y/bs had only been tossed,- when yearlings over the water... Ok I didn't win oat in the section, -Let alone the nationals, But 8 yearling on the Day 300 odd miles first race!
One early morning, and the last 3 days later showed me in my mind a lot. I feel that had they been trained a little more in the season They would have done them selves proud.
This year youngsters. Three chucks from different directions starting at 55 miles the a 125 mile race 22 in no time. Dominated the club!! Come on now am I stupid ? or do I place great store - no in my birds - but in pigeons in general!!
I knew in my heart of hearts they would do it if any good... the one I lost this year may well have been a cull. I lost a few old bird culls too, fortunately, but that can only strengthen the loft. IT's the losing of culls that strengthen the loft, regardless I believe!

By Bshuba on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 11:27 am: Edit

ROLY
I know what you mean by trying something different and because of it having spoiled a year.I wanted so bad last year to fly hens so that I could get one home on the day at the 500,that my system I normally used W/C's suffered big time...What did I learn.Well I did manage to get a hen home on the day,yahoo!!so They can do it,also learned in order to fly both sexes I'd have to change my ways of doing things.BIG TIME...I'am going to be flying both sexes this year after a LOT of thought So again I will be in the same position this year,many changes..But alot smarter,?? Only time will tell.I've studyed many different systems on flying both sexes That I've heard on here and beleive I have found one useing alittle from this guy and alittle from that guy that will work for ME,so I'am giving it a shot.If I have any troubles along the way it sure is nice to know I can always ask for help HERE and my friends will steer me in the right direction..Heck if it don't work out theres always Next Year,and again I've had learned something that I'd hadn't if I didn't try it...Then if someone needs help when flying both sexes I maybe able to help them,at least in telling them what NOT TO DO.hahha

By Evert on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 02:00 pm: Edit

Bill Shuba.
Keep on trying, eventually you wil succeed.
You know the saying why pigeon flyers will get older. They always look ahead to next year or next season, and can not afford to stop any time.
Happy New year.

By Tommakowecki on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 02:12 pm: Edit

If you give those hens a good shot - I am sure you will have some fun and better yet....find some good hens to breed from. The keys: not allowing them to get fat. And keep them from laying. Hard work - training tosses - seems to accomplish both of those; but it takes time effort and fuel ($)! I wish I could follow my own advice!!!!