I'm not bragging here so please don't misunderstand me but, I just received my fist bank statement from the grading service deposits. Can you believe $6542-oo for what was originally a joke by my buddy Robert Maxwell to see if it would work??? No bouncers or dud Money orders, and NO COMPLAINTS from dissatisfied customers. Some of them came back several more times with more birds for adjudication. Who said you can't make money out of pigeons???? Yes you can Billy!!!

By David (64.228.1.3 - 64.228.1.3) on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:15 pm: Edit

congrats bob. thats close to a million canadian.best thing here your doing something you love.still think you should take up bow hunting.

By Billytaylor (64.221.11.107 - 64.221.11.107) on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:38 pm: Edit

Like saying it stops hurting when you stop hitting yourself on the head with a ball peen. A sucker that does not know his own birds and is used to losing can only feel good when the guru tells him he has world class. Knew all the time he had champions, just hasnt convinced his club yet. Look to yourself and evaluate your own. If the race sheets show you need speed, get some. Never get used to losing unless you have given up being competitive. Time has passed you by. The yesteryear super X which you have line bred to a farethewell does not cut it any more. Get some better birds. No matter how good you think you are, you can only dominate about 3 years without change. Lets race. Bye BillyT

By Mealy (138.253.213.150 - 138.253.213.150) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:56 am: Edit

why have the experts not answered my question, on green eyes. Come on boys

By David (216.209.109.91 - 216.209.109.91) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:33 am: Edit

well you know i do like eye balls but taylor makes a point above the eye ball. lets say the seasons over and theres a couple of real good eye balled birds that just didnt make the top of the sheet as good as some of the rest and we only have so much room and birds must be culled. what do we do.keep the best eyed birds and cull the best racers. dont laugh this happens every season.ok i admit it i turn the best eyed back of the sheet guys into smoked squab.no wonder certain lofts win races when there flying against lads that dont even know there best birds i suggest these fellows spend more time shipping there own birds week in week out then they will find the champs, i do understand nothing will change and bob will become RICH AND ALL THE POWER TO HIM.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:07 pm: Edit

To Dave. I see this problem very often as you can imagine, and it isn't an easy one for most people let alone the novice but, what we must all remember is that bad birds can and often do have good eyes too. But good birds can NEVER be found with bad eyes.

In circumstances like you have just described then let the race sheets be one of the deciding factors and you won't be wrong most of the time however, we must also remember that many of the top stock birds around were not very good racers and some were never flown at all.

The best stock bird I ever owned could not fly around the coop but, her sisters won everything for me. She bred a winner in ever nest she ever occupied including 3 derby winners which was unheard of in here day. This is also when your knowledge of your particular family comes into play.

Regardless of all this, the eye is still by far the best tool you can use in deciding what to keep and what to dispose of, but I would NEVER advise anyone to cull a bird strictly by it's eye unless you know the family very well and its race record confirmed that it had a major problem.

If it has a bad flying eye and it actually flew badly, then its eye is telling you, hey, I'm no good. This Gentlemen is eye-sign and that's what it does.

A bad bird (specimen) with a breeding eye tells you that, hey I'm a breeder probably of my own kind, if you wan't more bad birds like me, I'm your baby? You have to read each eye and act on what it is telling you. Just like reading a book.

But remember that eye-sign isn't perfect and you will make mistakes because of this however, before you condemn the subject, ask yourself what else is there for me to use that is easier, more accurate and better??? NOTHING!!!!!!!! And when all is said and done. The best birds still have the best eyes.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.113 - 198.81.26.113) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:25 pm: Edit

Mealy, I'm not avoiding you but, if you have been watching the news lately you will know that we here in Sth'n California are having trouble with fires. I have had to pack a lot of stuff away in boxes etc incase I have to make a dash for it, so I can't help you at the moment. Perhaps Myron can? He claims to be an expert also.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:25 pm: Edit

Mealy I just see the Headlines now. EYE-SIGN MAN DIES ON THE JOB.

With flames engulfing his neighborhood and home, the local eye-sign guru was last seen sitting at his melting computer, toes all burned off, flames liking up his trouser legs, but still he sits glued in position with his hair on fire, feeverishly typing his famous last words onto his favorite web sight. And the beat goes on, crackle crackle pufff, all up in smoke.

By Mealy (213.106.140.164 - 213.106.140.164) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:42 pm: Edit

Make sure you send that pic first.....Hotfingers

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:05 pm: Edit

Gotta tell you man there's never a dull moment in my life. Billy my step son just collapsed at work where Pigeon Brien got him a job as a security guard. he was rushed to hospital where he has another heart attack and is undergoing heart surgery as I type this. 32 years old, 180 lbs, not an ounce of fat on him and as fit as a bull in spring time. It just goes to show, when your number comes up, away you go who ever you are and what ever you're doing. O Well this might slow him down a bit, I sure as hell couldn't.

By David (216.209.109.97 - 216.209.109.97) on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 02:53 am: Edit

hi bob have to agree you known we live in a fast food world were all havent got the time to wait or cook and more than willing to spend the cash to get it done now by some one eles rather than learn.for years i had a small businees custom smoking fish deer moose rabbits geese ducks etc. well the fellows were charged two bucks a pound for fish a10 lb fish is going to cost them 20 bucks if they just brought me the filets from that fish it would cost them 6 bucks. got to the point were i would charge them 5 bucks to filet them and it was still 2 bucks a pound to smoke the filets.point here is most were just living in the fast lane and couldnt be bothered to take the time to filet them.it worked out ok as i could filet 25 fish per hr. and the heads etc. were ground up and sold for dog food for 35 cents a pound. comes out the same as your eye ball grading just doing a service.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 02:38 pm: Edit

OK Mealy they're on the way, now stop bitching will you??? The first one is a Dordin out of Tulsa Oklahoma, and was owned by a friend of mine Mr Bill Hill.

I selected that bird out of 2700 Birds that were presented to me for grading at the AU Convention. I also selected the winner of that same convention race from the several hundred entrants.

During the eye-sign grading session, I announced to the crowd of several hundred people who were watching and listening to my every comment, that the bird I was holding could and would win the AU hall of fame in the forth coming racing season, if the owner was anything like a pigeon flyer. This was only a youngster and it was several months before the season had even started.

At this point the owner came forward and introduced himself and that's how we met. He only had 3 or 4 birds in his crate for grading, but all had the DORDIN green eyes, and to his credit, he permitted everyone who had never seen a green eye to come forward and see for themselves what they really looked like. Most people were amazed and many none believers were in shock after seeing them.

On my return visit to Texas 1 year later, I was greeted by the man once again, and informed that he had in fact won the AU Hall of Fame with the hen that following season. But we all know that eye-sign is bullshit so forget it

This hen had the lightest green eye of them all, the others were the darker olive green metallic color, one of which was a breeder and, a couple of years later, I was honored to receive a youngster to fly in the Snow bird Classic for the same man. No it wasn't a green.

This was the year of the famous FVC cavalry charge, in which 58 pigeons were clocked in 56 seconds by 37 handlers after 10 1/2 hours on the wing. That's good handling guy's.

I clocked Bill's hen 1st, but missed out on the prizes by almost 2 seconds. She went to the futurity 3 weeks later and finished 9th overall against 3700 birds taking a lovely slice of the pie of around $6500 for my now very happy friend.

And still they ask for proof of this subject. So much for flooks guesses and green eyes. But remember guy's. Eye-sign is still bullshit.

By Mealy (213.106.140.164 - 213.106.140.164) on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 04:08 pm: Edit

Mr eye

The mail came through minus the pics

Thanks

By Billytaylor (64.221.9.217 - 64.221.9.217) on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 03:02 pm: Edit

Rogers thats a fish story if I ever heard one. Seems the fishy smell is closer to home using the bowl bruch than the cleaning lady will admit. Time for the bypass and the pouch on the belt. Lets race. Bye BillyT

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 09:56 am: Edit

I'm sure most of you will have received a FREE copy of the new magazine called Winning. I did and have read several of the articles in it and found them interesting to say the least.

I also saw some comments by Bill Richardson, Twister, and Nick Brent of Sydney together with several other Aussie writers. Not a bad mag guy's if your interested.

It's also interesting to note how many of these writers take a shot at eye-sign and as usual, the ones that do are the ones that know the least about the subject.

I wonder why that is? is it a sort of cry for help from the ignorant few, or one of those pathetic attempts to enforce the beliefe that they are so knowledgeable that people will automatically take their advise and turn away from that which can help them in their quest for performance improvements within the sport.

I didn't read your comments Tom, but I hope you didn't start with your old "stirr the pot" crap about eye-sign agin, Let's try to keep it on a serious note with lagit questions and all should be well.

I have spoken to Steve and he has asked me again to send in my stuff and hopefully this will be un-edited unless discussed with me prior to publishing so it should be fun but, I won't pull the punches either, spades are still spades.

I see one guy has had a shot at the value and integrity of Clusters, and is challenging the claims I have made without mentioning my name. A classic example of what I am talking about but, the story would probably be different if he had one amongst that hodge podge of birds from here there and everywhere that he flog's around the place.

Then you have another guy who discribes every pearl eye being shown as being a rec Violet. It's little wonder that people learn to pooohoo the subject with distortions like that being bandied around.

It's very obvious to me that this bloke has never seen a "Violet" eye in his entire life, and his silly and inacurate discriptions of them proves it categorically.

So here we go round again, educating the newest wave of knockers and skeptics. I must learn how to select and paste, it could save me a lot of time and work. Still, it all helps to keep the beat going.

By Tommakowecki (64.42.242.25 - 64.42.242.25) on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 11:30 am: Edit

I have no idea what I could be quoted as writing anything in Winning. I do not subscribe or write for it. So I don't have a clue what it is.

By Roly (62.253.32.6 - 62.253.32.6) on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 11:35 am: Edit

You know it makes one - sadly - laugh.
A man with a name - ok he may well be a feather peddler - of repute as a good flyer can state untriuths and advertise feats that are credited to some one else and NOWT IS SAID!!
Even when fellow flyers and posters share the same sites, clubs, combine etc. and nary a murmer.
Why? !! There is only on answer to why and that is BECAUSE.. something many try to side step - Yes Tom you are are past master at trying that! so don't think I'd let you go as easy. So this man peddles feathers. Many the plonkers will buy them but NARY will a dude stand up to be counted. Me! WELL I'd not buy a prayer from him and that's a fact! If he from now on told me the grass was green I;d get the whole congregation to check it.
Me I'd be flay - and quite rightly via Tom - But all thoses that spouted at Bob, me and others remain silent....... Are they after a good deal. do they FLY his strain.... Are they now clambering at Oscars door for the real Pigeons that BEAT HIM!!! Nah. stick to the name and buy whatever is told is so and therefore must be good.
Bet Billy ain't lined up there. nor B. Butt either, Eyes may look ... FULL STOP.....
Me.. . Well I just add it for what it is worth,,,, fodder to feed fools and a point to make about them.
When will folks stand and be counted? When will they take the ring out their noses?
When will they work like sensible and decent flyers ALL HAVE to and build their own birds from genuine fanciers that will let thm have genuine stock cock or hen here or there.. -AND SUPRISE SURPRISE I'D COUNT TWISTED TOM AMONGST THEM GENUINE ONES. I'd have a cast of off him tomorrow he he said he 'Felt oit might do a good turn. Likewise a few others on this site.
I'd bet and wager that the FEATHER PEDDLER has no more GOOD proven birds than say Both Billies., Oscar, MikeV, and Twisted Tom and a coiuple or more like Wayne at least.
Now as for selling paper ..... Weerr I'd get a a paper round!

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 01:12 pm: Edit

I can't even log onto it now Tom???? but I'm sure I saw your name on it as being a writer in the eye-sign sec together with Book offering opinions, Nick Brent challenging Clusters, Woolis claiming that "everyone" in England regards him as the utmost authority etc, and the dumb SOB calls the C/C and the C/A as being one of the same and shows and desiribes it as such?????? Nigel Carwood talking about it like he's a guru but only ever fly's 200 miles max, and Weeldon who never won a race but also sounds like another reincarnation of Loose lip's Lucas.

What's wrong with this picture. Don't these guy's know yet that I am God.

I could be mistaken about it being Winning, I was trying to catch up on all that's been happening since I was gone so I'm sorry if I'm wrong. It might have been Pipa or one of the others. No matter, it's the same message, let's try to keep it civil and just see what happens. I think this new guy has a good product going with some great and knowledgeable writers helping him.


P/S I found it. It's an old copy of past editions of the magazine which you can go back to and read what was said etc. There's a year's supply to choose from. Winning.

By Billytaylor (64.221.10.221 - 64.221.10.221) on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 01:30 pm: Edit

Bobo Nigel Cowood flyes in the Norhampshires with Roly. Dont see Roly kicking down his doors to buy BelgiumX . The poor mucker Roly, must have better birds. Probably eats better birds than A good lad Like Nigel has ever had. Lets race.Bye BillyT

By Roly (62.253.32.6 - 62.253.32.6) on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 08:11 pm: Edit

Actually he flies in the next corridoor....... but is a hell of a y / b flyer full stop.
Now as to his Y/B system he 6akes all the beating.
Let's GIVE CEDIT WHERE cREDIT IS DUE.... HE POSTED ERE AND STOOD UP TO BE COUNTED IN A 'eYE sIGN ' - FOR WANT OF A better word /........... though how he did was never disclosed. Now I posted at THE time how I thought that was 'GREAT OF HIM to be stood up and counted........ Still do.
Now I also have said that if I ever wanted or believed in 'EYESIGN' than Mr Eye eyesign id the kiddy..... I wished honestedly that Nigel amnd Bob would jion forces... AND i STATE HERE AND NOW THAT NO TWO gREATER 'eYESIGN eXPERTS ARE EVER TO BELIEVE.........OI really believe these are the best. I9 also Praised Nigel for entering a contres on he re a while a go........ But I firmly believe that Bob is number one.. and Nigel a distance second. I believe that Nigel is Great - he musyt be to turn my mates head - but Bob is something special..a and HYope and Pray ythat they meet up and share the GOOOD neews' if there is any thing to gain.
My good friend J. Munns really likes and believes in NIGEL SO TJHAT IS GOOD enough for me as they are boyth great flyers of NATIONAL class here......... Let's hope they team up and we will all e better for it.!!!! Thats a fact and I don't abide Eye sign as you all know........... Bt igf there is any tjhing to it..... THEN T6HESR will prove the goods.... AND you can rest assured on that!

By Roly (62.253.32.6 - 62.253.32.6) on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 08:30 pm: Edit

And Billy your so right! No I don't need his stock, nor his services ....... But will say that My mate Brian has never ever believed in eyesign until he looked into Nigels eye sign theories,.... And he is no dummy! MAKE no mistake about that! But as for breeding purposes he now believes in Nigel.
I - personally - have never met Nigel... but have always held him in the greatest of respect ... But as a y/b flyer only ... he is more than tops......... Could never in a month of Sundays beat me on a O/B' of note .... especially ON a distance or old bird race of merit .... But then again he never tries / nor is he capleble of doing so!.... but then again he is'n't interested in real Flyng as I see it!

By Roly (62.253.32.6 - 62.253.32.6) on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 08:46 pm: Edit

But I'm pissed as a newt , but stand by what I have tried to post. Twistefd Tom is a 'Master'and ought to be called master Bates' Eyesign is a CLASS ABOVE all others and Nigel is pretty cool.... full stop and ha a lot to learn.
Bob Wooliss is a has been that never was and relies on peoples ignorance.... full stop.... but has some great 'EYE# pictures that many - includinhg Bob would be jealous of....... shame he dpon't know what the 'F*** he3 is on about......... Milleinium Star' Village Lad' e4tc......... But he won't share as he is - Like Twisted TRom an egoistic.........'
There I ha ve called the truth........
TIME a lot more on here did!!!!

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 12:38 am: Edit

I finally found it Tom. It's in some old copies of the Aust journal. Don't know how I even found them but that's where they are. Sorry.

Just went looking through Billy Butt's excellent site. Very enjoyable Billy. Looks like you had a great time and saw some great birds. So which guy is Roly?

By Roly (62.253.32.6 - 62.253.32.6) on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 04:02 am: Edit

Will read ,my posts later when I get back... bet I'd better have a little drinkie too before I do lol.......
Opps Bob Wooliss came out all wrong like.. will put it right when I come home.

By Billytaylor (64.221.12.79 - 64.221.12.79) on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 02:57 pm: Edit

From my perspective, believe Nigal and super wife Jane are the best. Eyesign I dont know, but do see that he is hard to beat on the YB sprints. But My matey Roly in his haphazard way of preparing birds also excells on the long ones. Not so much for his preparations, but in my opinion with his super birds. John Munns also has my highest admiration. Even in Florida, we in the USA do not race against the numbers these super flyers do every week. Lets race. Bye BillyT

By Roly (62.253.32.6 - 62.253.32.6) on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 06:31 am: Edit

But again I must stress that the statndard og the pigeon, it's capabilities and merits are not, and should not be affected via the numbers it flies against .. in as much thet the birds and MORE importantly the Fanciers are and should be as good. Ok I grant you that 'Competition' does sharpen the witts, and put's ones mettle to the test. but a Winning attitude is the same against 10's 100's or 1000's. The research, study and knowledge is as good. Systems honed and grafted just the same. and after all it's neither the birds nor hat fanciers fault about the numbers or standards..... But I beleive the will and excitement to be the same.
A canny flyer is a canny flyer where ever. or a rose smells just as sweet.....