Comments anyone?

By Pigeonpete (206.172.134.8 - 206.172.134.8) on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 04:55 pm: Edit

Sorry guys, this one won't load.

By Pigeonpete (206.172.134.8 - 206.172.134.8) on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 05:00 pm: Edit

one more time...

By Roly (62.253.32.5 - 62.253.32.5) on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 09:28 pm: Edit

Nor will that one mucker lol.

By Roly (62.253.32.5 - 62.253.32.5) on Friday, July 04, 2003 - 09:21 pm: Edit

One more time ! ,.... nah it's Buggered.... forget it mucker!

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:00 pm: Edit

I have learned that Oscar will be sending 5 of the left over eye-game birds to the 620 mile race this coming week end. They will be No 1. 7. 11. 14. and 15. And although there is no contest over it, my money is on No 15 1st. and 11 2nd ???????

By Pigeonpete (64.228.101.27 - 64.228.101.27) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:13 pm: Edit

Just to be contrary, I'll go for #1. Who won the contest or is it not yet official???

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 09:14 pm: Edit

Pete. I have no idea who or which bird won the contest yet so you know more than me. It should be put up later tonight.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:35 pm: Edit

I was just told that No 2 has been added to the list of those going so it now stands at. 1.2.7.11.14.15. to the 620.

By Roly (62.253.32.5 - 62.253.32.5) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 05:00 am: Edit

WEERHH AS YOU WELL KNOW 1 - 2 WERE/ARE MY PRIME NUMBERS. EVEN AID WHEN SEASON EARLY THAT THOUGH IN SPRINTS DOING WELL. 'THEY WILL DO ME NICELY' FER DER LONGER ONES LOIK DINNA EYE? ! LOL

By Roly (62.253.32.5 - 62.253.32.5) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 05:02 am: Edit

should say 'Even SAID' not aid lol.
But like I says. 'I said then they were to be my birds because I was quite happy wid dem loike lol..... Picked after me Mum and Dad loike. Number one and two lol.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 04:18 pm: Edit

One club is a little late sending in their results to the Combine but the preliminary results so far as I can see are as follow.

The outright winning bird of the game is bird No 9 with 602 points. Followed by No 5 with 533 and No 20 with 502. I believe that Mr R Osborn will still be the overall winner but, there could be some changes to some of the other high scorers which will be posted later today.

I would like to take this opportunity to say CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WINNERS AND TO ALL THE OTHER PARTISIPANTS and invite you on Oscars behalf, to join us again next year which promisses to be even more interesting and exciting than this was. Good luck to you all.

By Myron (205.188.208.104 - 205.188.208.104) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 08:01 pm: Edit

IS THAT A PAID POLITICAL ANOUNCEMENT, OR ARE YOU ON THE TAKE, HAVING AN IN WITH THE BOSS. DID OSCAR LOSE HIS TONGUE.???? WILL YOU BE EXEMPT FROM NEXT YEARS GAMES BECAUSE IT WILL BE RUN YOUR WAY.?????????? THAT WOULD BE CHEATING, RIGHT.???

WHAT'S THE SCOOP.?????? ANYONE RUNNING THE GAME WANT TO TALK.????????

HERE'S YOUR CHANCE.

By Oscar (149.99.155.4 - 149.99.155.4) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 09:18 pm: Edit

GET A GRIP , BOB ASKED WHEN THE FINAL RESULT WOULD BE UP AND WHERE THE BIRDS FINISHED , AND I TOLD HIM , AS I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME FOR YOU HAD YOU ASKED .

I ALSO TOLD YOU BEFORE THE GAMES BEING CONSIDERED FOR NEXT YEAR , SAME AS I DID TO BOB NOW , NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS .

NOBODY GETS THE INSIDE SCOOP AND IT WILL BE RUN THE WAY I WANT TO , NOT HOW BOB OR YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE .

By Myron (205.188.208.104 - 205.188.208.104) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 09:22 pm: Edit

THANKS OSCAR,

THAT'S KEEPING US INFORMED.

By Roly (62.253.32.5 - 62.253.32.5) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 09:32 pm: Edit

Dorn't matter none . I will as always finish tops lol.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 09:34 pm: Edit

You are one sick and very demented old fool to even think like that Myron. All I can say to your above comment is. Evil thinkers are Evil doers. You obviously don't know
Mr & Mrs Oscar Devries or his family.

YOU are the only one in the world who ever tried to cheat in these games and on "TWO" other occasions prior to this. First with a double entry in the same race in the Alberta race, both with different picks each time. And a second time when you altered your picks after seeing what other players had leaned towards picking. Ask your buddy Tom Mankowicki he knows.

I think you owe an apology to someone. DON'T YOU? You mental retard. Get help.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:00 pm: Edit

Now. If someone would be kind enough to post a copy of the EYE of the winning bird (No 9) I shall clarify why this eye is so different in it's make up to the rest, and how to recognize these frieks of nature in the future. In antisipation for your help, Thanks

By Myron (205.188.208.104 - 205.188.208.104) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:01 pm: Edit

FLEMING,

TELL ME HOW YOU CAN CHEAT ON ANY OF THESE GAMES. IF IT CAN BE DONE, I'M SURE YOU KNOW HOW.

IN ONE GAME YOU COMPLAINED THAT I GAVE TOO MANY PICKS & I WITHDREW SOME TO MAKE THE PROPER NUMBER. IT'S ALL THERE FOR ANYONE TO SEE.

AS FAR AS CHANGING NUMBERS BECAUSE OF ANYONE ELSES PICKS. **NEVER**.

I DON'T THINK THAT **YOU** HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE & BUTT INTO THEIR BUSINESS.

MY POST WAS MEANT FOR A RESPONCE, BUT NOT YOURS.
BUTT OUT.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:24 pm: Edit

I didn't butt in. I responded to your post AS YOU INVITED ME TO DO by directing your accusations towards me being involved in designing next years race.

That is not true but, I have made several suggestions as to how I believe it can be improved. Is it wrong to to make suggestions of improvements to someone I consider as being a friend?

One of them would be to put a stop to people like "YOU" from accidentally making "good" picks, then announcing to the world how great they are as a result of what is nothing more than a FLOOK.

I also suggested a way to let those who are not so interested in eye-sign, to make their selections by the pedigrees ONLY by not showing the eyes untill all the pedigree picks are in. They could be given an earlier start time where the eye's are not shown.

Then we could see who was the most accurate of the two techniques.

I also believe that 5 picks out of 20 is enough to prove a point what-ever that point maybe

I would also include a couple of long races to level the playing field for the distance birds, and less short ones with Less emphisis on things that really mean nothing to most of us like Combine results, which though important, only seem to have held up the posting of the weekly results of how the game birds arrived back to the loft.

If you have anything to add to these suggestions, then be my guest, but please don't do you're usual old worn out trick of opening you're mouth and inserting you're foot. Wee've all seen it. MANY TIMES. Sleep well.

By Myron (205.188.208.104 - 205.188.208.104) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:44 pm: Edit

FLEMING,

I DID NOT INVITE YOU, I SAID "" ANYONE RUNNING THE GAME"", WHICH I HOPE IS NOT YOU.
HAVE ANOTHER "POP" & THINK ABOUT IT.

TIME FOR BED, SEE YOU LATER

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:48 pm: Edit

Your post is addressed to me you ignorant old ass.

By Pigeonpete (64.228.101.189 - 64.228.101.189) on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 11:49 pm: Edit

Oscar's #9

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 01:53 am: Edit

Not the greatest example I have ever seen but a Single Tubed Smash eye none the less. And dispite the fact that this bird has shown very clearly that it is faster than the rest on a consistant basis, THERE ISN'T A SPEED LINE TO BE FOUND ANYWHERE????

SO MUCH FOR THE "FALSE CLAIMS" BEING MADE ABOUT THEM BY OTHERS. It does have good distance lines though, as do the rest of the birds in the game.

If you look closely at the iris, I will point out what is different about these eye's compared to others.

Those people who have been following these articles, will remember that the eye usually contains two capillaries or tubes as I lazily call them. The top one being filled with Blood and the bottom one consisting of a clear jell like substance.

The red "top tube" is positioned on top of the other and, together they form the red rough and blotchy part of the eye called the iris.

If you look very closely at the iris in this eye, you will see that in several areas, it is quite possible to see right through between the spaces and gaps in it's make up, right down to the flat black base of the eye, which in this case is lightly covered with grains of eye pigment.

It isn't easy to see in this one but it's possible in several areas. Some birds are easier to see this in than others.

You will also recall that I said that the grains of pigment seen in the eyes, seem to be attracted to the bottom tube only, and they actually stick to it, making it appear as though it is the same color as the pigment, which in this eye is yellow.

Now look closely at the small gaps in the iris which can be found throughout the iris, and you will also notice that the bottom tube as discribed CANNOT be seen ANYWHERE, in fact "IT IS MISSING"?????

With practice and now that you know what to look for, you will get better at reading these eye's. But I think you can also appreciate from this one just how easy they can be to miss altogether especially if you are not paying close attention when looking. I originally saw this one in the form of a photo sent to me in an e-mail and predicted it's abilty etc THREE MONTHS BEFORE THE RACES BEGAN. So it can be done.

What you can see in this eye is the top tube only making up the entire red colored iris area.

In most eye's, the bottom tube can be seen to protrude out from beneath the top one, and appear as making up sections of the circle of serration or, the outer boundary of the eye-sign ring and the iris.

It can also be seen very clearly when found lying about on the eye-sign ring in the form of what we call debris, but in this eye, it's not even easy to detect it's absence, emphisising the definate need to use a jewelers loupe at all times. You cannot see eye-sign without a glass.

The point I want to make is that, the bottom tube of this eye is missing, and cannot be seen clearly anywhere in either the iris or on the eye-sign ring.

Recently some one?????? made the claim that this was not a Single Tubed eye, and referred people to look at an eye where the top tube was so heavily compacted (through inbreeding) in the iris, that you could not possibly see through it to the base of the eye. This is not what a single tubed eye is all about, and only served further to prove that this same individual doesn't know what day it is most of the time.

IF YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH THE IRIS TO VARIFY THE "ABSENCE" OF THE BOTTOM TUBE, THEN IT'S WRONG TO "ASSUME" THAT IT ISN'T THERE. You "MUST" be able to confirm that it is definately missing.

I have made arrangements to have a picture made and posted on here in the next few day's, of another kind of Single Tubed eye which is very very rare but, once again it proves that these sorts of things do exist, but this time what is different about them is that they contain only the BOTTOM tube. There is almost no Blood in the iris at all.

It's one that I showed at the seminar in Canada and, and is now owned by the Disneyland lofts of Lawrence Borber in Sth'n California. It was purchased by him after it had won the L/A Combine on two occasions from 500+ miles in 100+ degree's of heat. I call it the book buster???????? I repeat. It has almost no Blood veins in it's iris at all???????

I am also going to show the foundation eye of the old long distance Kirkpatrick birds from England. The original Tommy Buck foundation pigeon of that family.

This is also a Single Tubed eye of the Bottom tube only variety, and as those of you who know and will soon confirm, they very closely resemble the eyes of the 1.2.and 3 thousand mile birds I mention from time to time, and that were called the Trentons in America.

I want to thank Pete again for his help with the posting of the eye for you guy's and, I hope you all have a better understanding of what to look for in this eye and others like it. If you have questions or doubts, please don't hesitate to discuss them with me, because that's what makes the beat go on and on and on.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 04:09 am: Edit

I have posted a picture of an eye that resembles a Single Tubed eye on my home page at RACING PIGEONS AN ONLINE EYE-SIGN GRADING SERVICE.

Look at the eye in the 12 O clock position, and you can see very clearly how the colorless gray looking bottom tube has fallen unto the eye-sign circle and is lying there in an untidy fashion which as I told you we call Debris. Pronounced DEB REE.

It can also be seen again at the 3 O clock position spanning across the opening of the mouths of the 2 protrusions seen in the breeding area.

Another excellent place to see the bottom tube displayed is at the extreme outside edge of the iris, just before you reach the dark vermeyen ring. It can be seen entering the eye together with the red blood filled tubes often in pares or groups of three, but distinctly different in color as soon as it enters the iris area of the eye.

As you move around, you can pickup the gray tube again in the 9 and 10 O clock positions down in the gaps of the top tube which is nearly always red in color except in certain kinds of the green eyes.

By Louis (216.209.18.27 - 216.209.18.27) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 09:22 am: Edit

Bob, what is the exact address of your home page??
As what you have written does not show up.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 09:31 am: Edit

I might have made a mistake with changing things around Louis and AOL is still sleeping at the moment stick around and I'll keep calling till I get it fixed. Sorry Pal. My fault.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 09:47 am: Edit

Louis and others. They said that any and all changes to a home page can take upto 24 hours before the new format can be seen by anyone???? This happened once before. Sorry.

By Pigeonpete (64.228.101.150 - 64.228.101.150) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 09:52 am: Edit

What is that gold piece that is on the edge of the CC between 9 & 10? It's below the flash and it looks like a piece of metal?

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 10:07 am: Edit

It's a reflexion Pete. But that show's your on the ball.

By Tommakowecki (64.42.242.15 - 64.42.242.15) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 10:12 am: Edit

Fleming Quote "With practice and now that you know what to look for, you will get better at reading these eye's. But I think you can also appreciate from this one just how easy they can be to miss altogether especially if you are not paying close attention when looking. I originally saw this one in the form of a photo sent to me in an e-mail and predicted it's abilty etc THREE MONTHS BEFORE THE RACES BEGAN. So it can be done"

From what I can see YOU failed to pick that eye in the contest! Now, you are saying you predicted its ability 3 months ago.......??????

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 10:24 am: Edit

That is quite correct Tom and it's documented. I didn't select it and this too was explained earlier in a post because I knew nothing about what to expect as far as the weather is concerned in Canada at this time of the year.

I "assumed" that it would be fine and clear as it is here, so therefore the bird would not perform as well as it has, but then I discovered why later. I'm being quite honest I missed it.

These eye's usually excell in BAD weather hence the name I gave them "SMASH" eyes, meaning slower harder velocities but, this particular eye also has "something else" that I haven't told about as yet, because we can't post a better picture of the additional feature it posseses. The sign of a true Champion as shown at my seminar. But still I goofed up and didn't pick it in my selections, my mistake and a BIG one. Oscar will confirm what I am telling you. And now perhaps some of those present at the seminar will remember what I showed them and see it in this eye.

Incidently, If you do an average of the birds velocities it come out to around 1150 ypm. Now that is good solid flying speed for any bird but, it didn't do so well when they went up to 1500+ ypm??? Just as it's eye dictates it shouldn't.

By Roly (62.253.32.5 - 62.253.32.5) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 09:53 pm: Edit

oH Didn't realise that 'the eyes also Told one what weather it likes to fly in .. and which weather conditions are best suited........

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 10:07 pm: Edit

No that's not what I said. I said they usually excell in bad weather. There's a difference. All we do is try to tip the odds in our favor from knowledge like this. Wouldn't you. My first pick finished 2nd overall. I'm happy with that.

By Roly (62.253.32.5 - 62.253.32.5) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 06:43 pm: Edit

Hence it / must also mean what weather not to be sent ... etc. etc.

By Mreyesign (198.81.26.48 - 198.81.26.48) on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 09:53 pm: Edit

Yes Roly, but then you'd have to know on thursday, which way the wind was going to blow by week end, and we don't know this for sure yet do we????Answer. Play it safe. Send a mixed bag like Oscar did. Another lesson for the learning.. .

By Roly (62.253.32.5 - 62.253.32.5) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:55 am: Edit

Oh how true...! that infallible mixed bag.
A mate, that handled my birds the other week, was suprised how all seemed to be different in regards of 'Crops' etc. Food wise.....
Also threir wieght etc.
I said yeah. and if you had looked at the different lengths of the 'Flights growths' in the week regards of moulting.
Weathrt, hold over, wind all bear apart Hence a 'mobb Flyer' with a little thought takes a lot of beating..... But the 'Mob Flyer' that is consistant is relying on 'Knowledge' beside the 'Chances' of one or two being 'Right on the Day'!

By Billytaylor (64.221.10.137 - 64.221.10.137) on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:56 pm: Edit

My early hatches on the light system are on the 8/9th flight with 2 months to the first YB race. Some of the Mar/Apr hatches are on the 6/7 with some heavy in the head moult. Just wondering where this condition stacks up with those on the dark system in Canada? Lets race. Bye BillyT