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By Jimmyoz on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 04:07 pm: Edit

Bob F.
I was speaking with one of my fellow clubmen yesterday who said dthat he was at your lecture in Brisbane and thoroughly enjoyed it. He could not remember who organised the little shindig. He also mentioned that he had a copy of your book. We are going to do a swap. I'll read his (yours) & he will borrow Levi's "The Pigeon" off me.

Hopefully, I will gain something from it. I have never claimed to be an eyesign afficando, but my inquisitive & bookish nature leads me down many paths of learned enquiry. Is your book still in print?

My mate is one of those rare flyers who has won several one birders. His family were obtained from the lofts of the illustrious William Morris Lawry and his late brother Ern when my friend was living in Melbourne. He was telling me how if the reds get a certian colour of green eye they fly like rockets. Interestingly, my old ABC Harrison family throw a brilliant orange (like a sunburst) that normally indicates similar performance.

As I stated previously, I am nor an afficando. It is best to judge the pigeon as an entire organism. Still, I'd rather keepan open eye.

Jim

By Mreyesign on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 04:57 pm: Edit

Now there is a name I haven't heard for many years. Lowrey. What a great cricketer. What a good pigeon flyer also. But what an ass hole at the same time. Cause he had imports when imports were not available????????? To Roly. there are some Harrisons here Roly. Tell Scotty, he will be delighted. About the book OZ. No, it is not in print any more but, there looks like beeing an up date on a C D one day. We shall see. You will have to read it several times and compare what I say with your own bids. One section at a time. It will come to you all at once and when it does, you will be able to go into any loft anywhere in the world and pick out their best birds in a matter of seconds, and be correct almost every time. Remember, it is NOT a story book, it's a science, which has to be studied to gain the benefit's which are too numerous to list. I will make you this promise. You will be a VERY much better all round pigeon man than you ever believed possible as a result of learning this subject. It will open up a whole new world of pigeon knowledge and appreciation than most can even realise exists. Prepare your self for these changes because, you will be a different person afterwards and so many other things about the birds will suddenly become much clearer to you. Good luck and don't be afraid to ask questions, regardless of how it sounds.

By Bear on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 12:16 am: Edit

Just a short not to clear up something. Bill LAWRY has only ever had legal imports in his loft.
He is a personal friend of mine and has always been very angry when he has heard about any illegal imports being brought into the country because of his concern about diseases that these pigeons may have.
In the 90's Bill has brought in Birds from Jim Biss who is also a good friend of Bill's and another 4 from a different flyer in England.
Bill's old family have a lot of the old South Aussie blood from Bert Minerds from Mitcham in Adelaide.

By Mreyesign on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 12:52 am: Edit

Settle down Oz. That was a tongue in cheek comment that has been around forever in Melbourne and is as old as me. I thought you knew that. The man did have an attitude though when you went to visit him and, it was not unusual to have him slam the gate in your face. This happened to many many people that I know. I never gave him the chance. But, I did read his results each week. Yes, I am familiar with the Minnards blood. Excellent pigeons.

By Jimmyoz on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 01:45 am: Edit

Bear,
Yes, the bloke I'm talking about said that the birds descended from the same source. I think that anybody who was successful and travelled overseas got accused of the same thing. Let's face it, you get accused of either illegal imports or drugs. Envy is the bed partner of rumour. I can remember Russell B. being accused of all and sundry. Despite the fact he spent a small fortune acquiring some of the best blood ever in Bris Vegas & was an outstanding breeder & flyer.
Jim

By Billytaylor on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 04:45 pm: Edit

Attended a seminar, I think in New Orleans presented by Nigel Cowood a few years ago. He is a super guy and is wife Jane is a darling. He went into great detail on how to prepare the W/H flyers for a race, down to the soup spoonful of pnuts, etc. Someone asked him what distances he excelled at. He answered from 80 to 125 miles. I walked out. These distances are training tosses. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Roly on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:18 pm: Edit

Ah Ther Billy.... He's a mate of my Mate Brian who flys the distance. You are down to meet him also. He just had a heart attack. same day as my good friend I posted about wanting to start with my birds and Fly again. Same day as Alf had a Stroke All you are to meet. and only a week after Barry was hospitalised big Time. Still after they have all met you The competition will be a bit easier lol. No they are all great flyers.Well 3 great guys, Alf - A national winner, Only 1 of three in over a hundred years in this here about area - is a first class mouthy arse hole, a bigot and a braggart, but flys well.

By Baetensd on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:19 pm: Edit

But Billy,
then everyone should walk out on jannsen too, races up to 200 km were there speciality and look how far they came :-)
greetz,
D
oh just mention this cause i don't even know this nigel cwood person

By Roly on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:19 pm: Edit

Oh and Billy Briggs a great flyer and guy... got the Big C. It's certainly a dying game over here at the moment.

By Roly on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:22 pm: Edit

This Nigel Cowood has Posted on this site. Actually done that Eye sign Challenge... Never did hear how he had done. Know of him of course, but haven't met him yet. Been in MY company though LOL.

By Baetensd on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:25 pm: Edit

could be but i guess i wasn't around yet then, i do believe he is a good racer, just that i never heard of him before ...
greetz,
D

By Billytaylor on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:34 pm: Edit

Roly, wait a minute. I didnt say Nigel was not a super flyer, just said he didnt race the distance which is my goal. (And yours too, cross channel). Man those big mouth friends of yours and I will get along fine. First liar doesnt stand a chance. Looking forward to setting you midlander rubes straight on pigeon flying, or vice versa. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Baetensd on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:45 pm: Edit

Billy,
perhaps his pigeons do have the capacity for the distance you like but he just prefers short races ....
greetz,
D

By Marvin on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 08:25 pm: Edit

Mreyesign, If you were going to take a wild guess, what percentage of birds have a cluster? My loupe is an 18x but Myron says I need a 12x as I am too close with the 18x. Can clusters be seen with an 18x?

By Bshuba on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 08:46 pm: Edit

Marvin
Sorry BOB to bud in here,Some clusters can be seen with out a loupe,a 10x has worked great for me,and tells me all I need..A 18x would just show me things I don't need to see...But thats me..

By Myron on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 08:55 pm: Edit

MARVIN,

I BELIEVE YOU WORDED THAT INCORRECTLY. I SAID THE 18X WOULD BE HARDER TO FOCUS, HAVING TO BE CLOSER TO THE SUBJECT.

By Marvin on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 09:13 pm: Edit

Myron, thanks for making that clearer. I don't have much trouble focusing anymore. Been using this one for years. Anyhow I will try them both when I get the 12x. Saw some new things this weekend. Will verify them with the 12x. Thanks again.

By Mreyesign on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 09:40 pm: Edit

Some Clusters are so big that they cover the entire pupil and there are those which cannot be seen with the naked eye. ANY magnification can be used to see them but, there is no need to go over board with it. I use a 12 power but your eye's may be better than mine thus I suggest that you use what suites you best, as long as you can see them clearly. Later I intend to go into advanced studies and that is when you will need the 20X power. I assume you have found one. Is that correct? and if so, what can you tell us about it..

By Roly on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 09:40 pm: Edit

Billy and I never said he was a super flyer. Seen a couple of his adds and results published... can't remember them though.

By Roly on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 09:44 pm: Edit

Saw a strange thing the other day, same day as I put the extra 0 on the numbers of flyers in Canada.
1700 was the same as one of our Fed members. Largish size.

By Marvin on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:12 pm: Edit

Mreyesign, I think I saw something yesterday. I was looking in the sunlight and saw three spots like twinkling stars on a dark night in the pupil, except they were yellowish or gold colored. They were small and moved around. One seemed to dissapear like it went down into the pupil and floated back up and down again and again. They were in the other eye also. Does that sound like clusters or something else? I was using the 18x. Out of 1000 birds how many would you guess would have some clusters?

By Marvin on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:46 pm: Edit

Mreyesign, I finally will be getting a copy of your book so I can read about the clusters again. I have a copy coming.

By Marvin on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:54 pm: Edit

Bshuba, if what I saw with the 18x were clusters then would they be too small to worry about? Does size matter?

By Bshuba on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:34 pm: Edit

Marvin
Well as far as clusters go even my wife would have to say NO.As long as they are there its a good thing......I myself have quite a few birds with what I've heard some call Star Clusters..Not sure if thats the real name for these but it explains best what I see...Also I have a couple that you can see with out a loupe.These truely are my best breeders.My best yb from last year has great 6-9 but also a cluster you can see with out a loupe,shes in stock and now on eggs.It will be another year yet before I really can judge if these help or not as far as breeding great racers,and if so what the percentage

By Bshuba on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:58 pm: Edit

Marvin
I mean another year before I can judge these Star clusters.....The ones I don't need a loupe for and the little smaller ones that float around,I have already found this to be true..I mainly see these smaller ones best at the bottom of the eye untill the bird blinks then they disappear and reappear anywhere but I've noticed they again float down to the bottom of the eye again.If you really look close and the lighting{outside}is good you can at times see them with out a loupe but you really have to look hard.Glad to see your interested in eye sign.

By Mreyesign on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:15 am: Edit

Marvin may I suggest that you read the posting in the above string under the title Clusters the ultimate breeding eye. You don't have to wait for Schubie to proove it to him self. If you found clusters in your birds, then you have good birds and your future is guaranteed. They can and will do what ever you ask of them. And so too will their off spring. Size has no bearing on anything. The Cluster could be comprised of several particles of pigment or just one drifting particle. It's the sign that tells you look out, I 'm a winner or a breeder. As for the percentages in pigeons over all. I don't think anyone would try to answer that question but, I will say this. There are a lot more around now than what there were when I first discovered them. And few if any are failures and it wouldn't matter if a few failures were found now because the vast majority of birds with them have been exceptional pigeons in every way.

By Bshuba on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:32 am: Edit

Bob
I do hope your right on this,My problem is I have too many with these,To many to think its a real plus..So far you've been right on so I'am hopefull.But you know me,I have to try first to prove things wrong before I accept it as truth.haha..But I have also noticed while looking at others birds that there is not many around here with these Star type clusters and none yet I've seen here with a cluster big enough to see with out a loupe.Why have I have these in spades I don't know..Maybe some familys tend to have these more than others,or by skill,hahaha I've bred them myself.

By Marvin on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 03:20 am: Edit

Bshuba & Mreyesign, thanks for the answers. I appreciate it. I will check the postings again as they may make more sense to me now.

By Roly on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 05:36 am: Edit

My mates birds are great Clustered eyed... Look a treat, Silky feathers - oily foods makes the ole Glands work -.
Beak white and goods,Eyes bright and alert... race crap. No guts, poor lungs and heart needs strengthening!!!

By Mreyesign on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 02:09 pm: Edit

You cannot find a Cluster in the eye's of an inferior bird. Only top quality birds have them. You are one of the lucky ones Schubie. You got off to a good start because of friends like Dave who gave you that start and, I for one am going to see to it that you show some appreciation for that by buying him a drink or two at the first possible opportunity you get.

By Mreyesign on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 02:12 pm: Edit

Your mates birds need me. That's all. Who ever said that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear was wrong. They didn't know anything about eye-sign. The beat will go on.

By Marvin on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 02:38 pm: Edit

Mreyesign, I think I found some dust today. Blue, Green, Red, about the size of or a little larger than the star clusters.....at least I am guessing that is what it is. What if a bird with star clusters don't breed winners? Does that mean it should have been a good racer itself?

By Mreyesign on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 04:03 pm: Edit

Marvin you may have been looking at what is referred to as distance dust. This is usually found on the dark area of composition in the front racing area of the eye. This is not a Cluster or the same dust. The pigment which forms Clusters is found in the pupil and like Schubie said, it drifts around and usually is impossible to see when it moves over the iris. Distance dust and it's presence was first discovered by Heusskens? in his book The Four Seasons. According to him, it is supposed to indicate the long distance bird. The chances of your Cluster eyed bird NOT being a good Breeder or Racer OR BOTH are quite remote. This is according to the many many thousands of reports that have come back to me over the past 26 years since I first announced their existance. I have no reason to doubt any of the claims that have been made about them by the owners and, have proven the prepotency of them compared to other birds on numerous occasions throughout the world. Marvin, you sound like a prime candidate to attend my seminar. I will save you a front row seat. Next to Roly and Billy T.

By Myron on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 05:01 pm: Edit

HE'S NOT GOING

By Bshuba on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 05:48 pm: Edit

Bob
I had these before in my birds I was doing my inbreeding program with,I didn't know this of course at the time..I did how ever know these birds were Champion type birds,racing and breeding.Funny how these things seem to work.Yes Dave R has gave me a couple real dandys with these too in their eyes,and They too are Champions birds.The young are so nice I'am even scared to let them out incase they decide to out fly a Semi truck on the hiway as many of my ybs tend to do.Not many win that battle.I'll be buying many drinks all night forsure.!!

By Marvin on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 05:58 pm: Edit

Mreyesign, now let me get that straight you want me next to Roly and Billy T? Or is that between them to keep the peace? haha When is this convention anyhow? I doubt that I can make it but would be great if it would work out. Is the seminar on just one day? Can a person come for just that day?

By Mreyesign on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 08:04 pm: Edit

Marvin. Select eye-sign on trial under general topics.

By Mreyesign on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 12:20 am: Edit

There are a few who are doing just that Marvin, so no problem. You will have to pay though and it will cost you $25. I garantee that you will not be disappointed.

By Baetensd on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:06 am: Edit

you give really lectures ?
how often and where ?
greetz,
D