| By Mreyesign on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:44 pm: Edit |
I can't answer that riddle my friend but, I do know what you get if you crossed a Kangaroo with a Texas Elephant. BIG HOLES ALL OVER TEXAS. To Billy T. If a Falcon want's a feed of your pigeons, he is going to GET a feed of your pigeons, and that's a fact you can take to the bank. Tell em I sent ya. YIPPEE I OH I OH.
| By Myron on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:03 pm: Edit |
TO BOB,
WHILE IN FLORIDA WENT TO THE RUBBITY TO GET A TINNY,BUT GOT A STUBBY OF AMBER NECTER INSTEAD, WITH A SANGER, GAVE IT A BASH.
| By Mreyesign on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:34 pm: Edit |
Sounds like good tucker to me. So you blew the froth off a couple didiya.
| By Topgun on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 10:44 pm: Edit |
To Billy,
If you meant me posting on the EYE I was the 1st to do so wasn't far off I don't think.
If your talking about FALCONS we do have 2 PERIGRINE FALCON families planted right in SALT LAKE CITY to take care of the COMMIES. Also were my loft was back in 1995 was on the BENCHS of the SALT LAKE VALLEY (about the 7000 foot level) so there were a few GOSH HAWKS and COOPERS but once my birds got into FORM or SUPER HEALTH HAWKS COULDN'T touch them. Unless by SURPRISE. My birds both Y.B's and O.B's. alike.
"GOOD FLYING" Mike MJB.
| By Mreyesign on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:57 pm: Edit |
Yes Billy. You can fool the hawks and as Mike say's, you can get your birds healthy and reasonably fit, and they can outfly them too but, you guy's are talking Hawks. NOT FALCONS. You can't out smart them. They see what they want and take it. And there ain't much you can do about it. Did you know that the Peregrine Falcon very often falls victim to the common barn owl. They hunt the falcon at night but, also during the day when the falcon is sleeping like the pigeons do.
| By Topgun on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:09 am: Edit |
I'm sure glad for my birds that thoughs PERIGINE FALCONS ARE WELL SUPPLIED with thoughs COMMIES in SALT LAKE CITY they don't have to venture to far for a meal.
"GOOD FLYING" Mike MJB.
| By Mreyesign on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:22 am: Edit |
I go down town L/A just to watch them. MAGNIFICENT. That's the only word to discribe them. I see in New York that the red tail HAWK is taking pigeons on the wing. Most unusual but he had to learn how.?? Another very Majestic bird.
| By Topgun on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:42 am: Edit |
Bob,
Did you go to the SEMINAR at the SNOWBIRD? I was told that one of the "PLANET BRO" spoke. One of the guy's from here who had birds in the SNOWBIRD and went down to it said the speaker was pretty full of himself.
"GOOD FLYING" Mike MJB.
| By Topgun on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:43 am: Edit |
Just what I was told.
| By Pat on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:52 am: Edit |
Photo: Geoff Holroyd
The Latin verb "peregrinari", which gave the Peregrine Falcon its name, means to journey from a foreign place, as would a pilgrim or a wanderer. The peregrines that nest south of the treeline in North America winter in central and northern South America. Not only do they travel long distances, they also dive at speeds of up to 300 km/hour (180 mph). The Peregrine Falcon is thought to be the fastest of all raptors
| By Mreyesign on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:54 am: Edit |
To Mike. I heard the same as you, They say the guy was full of shit. I was blind in one eye and still am and it gets me depressed at times so, I gave it a miss. The whole race was a mess this year and a big disappointment to most. The second race is this week end and boy O boy, has got them looking good. It's very cold though and this could mess up these fair weather birds.?? Wish us luck.
| By Anonymous on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:36 am: Edit |
Pat. Hi and welcome. ref Dec 6 2.48pm. EYE SIGN page.
| By Myron on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 06:05 am: Edit |
HI BOB,
WHAT IS COLD.?? IN L.A. AREA. THE BIRDS HAVE A BODY TEMP. OF 107 %
| By Topgun on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 09:05 am: Edit |
Yes good luck Bob hope it turns out better then the first one for you.
"GOOD FLYING" Mike MJB.
| By Roly on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 09:39 pm: Edit |
Was that one of the famed Planet Bros that hails from London. The same boys that paid 100000's of pounds, like others had too, for the Jansenn birds without any pedigree papers! No they didn't give pedigree papers only jotted down the parents ring numbers on the back of the OWNERS CARD.
If it was they were hell of flyers, truely fantastic.
| By Mreyesign on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:06 pm: Edit |
Yes, that was one of them Roly. He didn't make many friends here. One of those who look down on people.
| By Roly on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 05:40 am: Edit |
Shame really, Shame on them, and shame that the attitude that stinks is evident.
They ought to be ashamed, and I'm ashamed of him.
Some really great names have endeared me to them, mostly because, inspite of the sucess and ability, you wouldn't even realise unless you knew, that they even kept pigeons.
They do say, and I tend to believe it, that Steffan Van Reet is of this nature, and a credit to the sport.
| By Mreyesign on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:31 am: Edit |
Would you say that he is sorta kinda like me Roly,would ya???VANREET I MEAN. Would ya?
| By Myron on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 08:13 am: Edit |
DON'T FORGET ME, JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T WRITE A BOOK.
I'M QUIET TOO, UNTIL YOU PISS ME OFF, & SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOOD AT THAT TOO.
| By Roly on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 09:10 am: Edit |
HA HA Side splitting Nylon, you are one hell of a guy mucker, and I really like you. If only your brain could cope with more than one subject in a life time lol.
Well Bob I'd like to think both of you are.
I have sat in some top ace flyers circle and talked about everything from sex to work to past times and never heard a boast from one of them. I have often sat in not so good to poor flyers company and had to get up and play the piano.... and at meetings as well lol, just to shut the drivelling nonesence up lol.
Good flyers only tend to tell when asked. Dick head turn every topic, or part of a sentence around to spout the so call greatness.... I love kicking them out of bed with a bump lol.
You know, you state something and it's I remember .... Once I had , Believe this believe it not - PS I don't - Or So and so will tell you. Boring drag cretins who often can't fly a kite.
Me... wish I had some thing to brag about lol.
| By David on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 09:29 am: Edit |
ROLLY you could be correct. but sure have read countless ads from those winning flyers selling there birds. i guess they like paper talk better.
| By Roly on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 12:45 pm: Edit |
Oh yes Bob how true.. then they don't believe lol and search for the things that aren't there.
But you know I guess it all boils down to who you are dealing with, and why, and why they are dealing with.
I know, in my own mind that if Say Billy T, Mylon, and a few others hear stated to me certain facts as they knew them, I would be 100% confident that it was as they said.. Some if it was carved on their mothers heart I would nip out and check the grass was still green. And there I feel in all reality you have it summed up.
No one would have a bird off me for love or money if I didn't like them, or for some reason didn't want them to have it.
If they could benefit, or felt that it may well be of some use, then they wouldn't be able to give me a penny for. And that is how I am.
Stood up at the meeting and broke into the discussion to tell a member what an arsehole he was and continues to be. That he was a disgrace and a arse licking no good scum bag. Then asked he he wanted to comment. No! red faced nodding head saying no. So I told him and the rest of the club why. Then I allowed the topic to carry on. But it needed to be said. Will I speak to him in future? !! Oh yes...for the good of the club. Will he drink with me, no! en you can take that to the bank. Best said and got out the way with, instead of it gnoreing a hole in my gut.
| By Billytaylor on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 07:27 pm: Edit |
Roly you have guts and bottom. Some appreciate and some dont. But let noone ever say you dont give it straight from the heart. Drinks are on Shuba. Lets race. Bye Billy
| By Anonymous on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 10:51 pm: Edit |
To All. Unless I'm blind. Bob is correct. There is no information about the second YELLOW eye posted. I can see that it's one of his Combine eye's and why which basically say's it all. Anyone please care to elaborate for this learner.???????
| By Bshuba on Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 10:58 pm: Edit |
Anonymous
Well The first eye is the Combine eye and won 1st over A few 1,000 birds.The second eye won 3x1 ect ect and this was mentioned.The distances of these races were not however and just for my own record would have been nice,but the second eye is not a combine eye.Thats my take on these anyways!!
| By Tommakowecki on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:39 am: Edit |
By Tommakowecki on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:42 pm: Edit
The eye that started this string:
http://www.tmakowecki.com/rate%20eye%202.jpg is the eye of the Ace Bird of the province of Limbourg, Belgium. It has 3 x 1st, 3 x2nd and 2 x 3rd to its credit....I am not aware of the exact distances which these races were. My purpose in showing these two eyes is: that I THOUGHT they were nothing very unusal from the vast majority of pigeons in our loft. My feeling being that racers should not be culled because of their eyes....almost any eye can fly and win races. My opinion.
| By Tommakowecki on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 02:42 am: Edit |
http://www.tmakowecki.com/rate%20eye
This eye was 1st from Bourges National over 42,000 birds Bourges is between 250 and 300 miles
| By Oscar on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 08:21 am: Edit |
Hi Tom , I totally agree , also it seems the Bourges winner eye got more ink and was generally viewed as the better eye but strickly on performance I would take the other . Eventhough it beat all those birds does that make it a good bird , if it repeats at the top or near then certainly but if it was just a flash in the pan 1 time score , I would cull it .
| By David on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 08:31 am: Edit |
Would amybody here cull a young bird thats just got a super body super feather super balance and smart as a wip. on having a bad eye. eye guy or not. i think not. so were does this lead us when it comes to culling. i have always found 99 percent of top flyers cull for two reasons not up to par with health and terible bodies. i have yet to meet the fellow that culls ybs on eye and eye alone. so were are these complete eye cullers.
| By Oscar on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 08:44 am: Edit |
hi Dave R. , I would but not by eye , only performance . 2 reasons for culling is health and performance , if you have a good family line then terrible bodies would and should be very uncommon .
| By Roly on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:28 am: Edit |
Dave the egoistic eyesign man not only would... but does..... others PEOPLES birds. After all that is what he is there for and to prove his capabilities. It would be hard to say... 'Well I think the eye is crap, but if I was you I'd keep that one regardless and give it a try'.... where would that lead to? Where would his standing be?
What convictions and faith would he impart to the fancier he is being paid by, or is there to help!!
It is a very dangerous game to allow others with points and ego's to prove near ones birds. UNLESS he has a substantiated record and the implicit trust of the laddie that hasbeen asked to sort them out.
If he has an ego - the eye sign chappie, refers to others beliefs etc. hit him with the spade he wants to use to bury your birds and bury him lol. Watch his eyes change perceptrion lol. They are possibly about who can and do, but it is proven very thin on the ground.. the rest should be under it lol
| By Mreyesign on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 11:13 am: Edit |
No eye-sign grader I know ever culls or reccomends the culling of any bird based strictly on the eye unless there is some physical defect which is obvious. I have had to answer this same question many times on this site and, providing the bird is healthy, I would and do grade it as a flyer only, so it goes on the road to either get lost or whatever but, that is better than using it for any other purpose. I don't even like to use bad specimens as feeders. I don't know and can't prove it in any way but, raising babies in bad company or, permitting bad parents to raise young birds from eggs off good parents, is to my mind the same as bringing good babies up in bad company. Am I right? who knows, but that's what I do, and where raising and flying young birds is concerned, I will back myself against anyone. I do not know and have never heard of an eye man who culls young birds on the eyes alone. There was one time while I was grading young birds for a man whom I would rate as one of the best pigeon flyers in the world. MR Edd Lorenz of California. When, and infront of several members of the F V C. He pulled a garbage can over to where the grading was to take place, and as the birds were graded, he re-examined them himself and, if he was in agreance, which he did on every one, he culled them on the spot. I had been asked to check for any breeders amongst them, he didn't need any more flyers. That's what bird grading does and that's all it does.Some graders look at wings and bodies and muscles etc, but I don't.I do not profess to be an expert on wings or tails or bodies or anything else except the eye. I know what I like in these other things and with the exception of the body shape, I do not comment unless asked. I cannot answer for others however, and would suggest that extreme caution be used when permitting any grader grade your birds. Make him prove his technique to you first, by asking him to grade birds which you know are good or bad and listen to what he say's.
| By Billytaylor on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 12:14 pm: Edit |
Bob you have spoke the truth and you know what I think of you eyesign experts. Not your dedication. I think both you and Myron are super people. Richardson? My observations only. Everytime I have witnessed a grader doing his thing to some other flyer, the grader always finds most of those he handled were Good Flyers, Breeders, Utility or World Class such. The flyer puffed up and gladly handed over the fee, reinforced that he had super birds and the only reason us rag bags were beating him was because of his loft location, course, wind against him or such. What say you my friend? Lets race. Bye Billy
| By Mreyesign on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:35 pm: Edit |
Yes Billy. It's a problem almost the same as grading for juniors when they have been given good birds but yet they still do not win. So what do you do? The word needed here is one which on occasions I tend to forget myself, but not with juniors or novices. IT'S CALLED TACT. With juniors, I try to give as many tips as possible and this usually works. But, grown up novices can be difficult as I'm sure you know. Each instance is different and a man can only ever do his best, if that isn't enough see ya.
| By Mreyesign on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:53 pm: Edit |
P S. Good management takes years to learn, but good pigeons are much easier to obtain than handling systems. From this the novice should realize that culling is best left to the more experienced flyer.
| By Roly on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 03:20 pm: Edit |
I believe that Bob.
I believe that fanciers let their birds down one hell of a lot more than visa - versa.
Often many see what they feel will do and it's near enough. Or take different parts of others systems etc. and mould them with out realise what the main purposes are for doing such and such.
Consistancy, reguarlity, and Observation are most important.... butonly when knowing and understanding is it everything.
| By Billytaylor on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:08 pm: Edit |
Hello Roly, this is an eyesign report. I know you all have missed the intelligent postings of my friend Myron of the large letters. He and lovely lady are cruising. He in a cage in the cargo hold and she on the sun deck sipping a mai tai. I told him I hope they dont dump him overboard with the rest of the garbage. Be a shame to polute the Carribean. Lets race. Bye Billy