| By Terryr on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 09:04 pm: Edit |
Here is an eye pic tha a friend sent me. A great looking eye.
| By Terryr on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 09:10 pm: Edit |
oops, here is the pic. :
| By Bshuba on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 09:13 pm: Edit |
Hi Terry
yes,very nice stock bird I would think.???
| By Tommakowecki on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 09:26 pm: Edit |
Yes Terry; I would add this bird to my stock loft. Can you tell me/us anything about its ability/history?
| By Mreyesign on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 09:46 pm: Edit |
If that bird hasn't bred winners after winning a few. I will propose to Schubi Doo on bended knee. An absolutely superb eye showing everything we should look for in the eye's used to start building a family around. I think, but cannot see the hue that. It's a "Dominant Violet" of the best and most reliable kind. The structure is perfect and the colours are correct. Does he want to sell it. Please. I really would love to see this eye up close in Sunshine. Fantastic.
| By Bshuba on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 10:03 pm: Edit |
Bob
looking at this eye I'am sure there will be no wedding bells,Its a nice one..But theres no such thing as eyesign,is there.????..hahaah.
| By Mreyesign on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 11:46 pm: Edit |
You Better ask kulic, he recons he taught you all you know Shubi.ha ha ha ha. That means you could write what he told you on a postage stamp. Have you read the crap he has written on the Sunset Loft site. Talk about bullshit. No wonder he couldn't pick the alberta birds and some of the others that were shown on here. He doesn't seem to have the SLIGHTEST clue what it's all about. We fortunately know that it's all from a guy who, never won a race, and has never even entered one. Tries to lay claim for the success of others and, Who claims to be an expert yet, has never graded a loft of any repute that he can tell about,and wonder why he is never asked too, and here he is telling people what to do, what this and that means and why and how etc, claiming to have been involved in this subject for 50 years. It's all B/S. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. I sincerely hope and prey that someone Challenges him to PROVE what he is telling people. If you guy's can't figure this out from his advise, I feel for you. But I am deeply concerned for the unsuspecting novices who may not know any better. You've all seen his pathetic performances on here and that surely should confirm what I am saying. You better watch out Terry, he will steal your photo next like he did mine. That's where the text went when it was missing.
| By Bshuba on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 11:53 pm: Edit |
Bob
well I have lots yet to learn.But I'am trying.
| By Roly on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 06:01 am: Edit |
Well I like the LOOK of the eye and have at least 60% in my loft.
Never as you all know bothered about eyes.... only for expression etc.
But I may well one day set up a few eyes photo's and number them.
I would then alo a few days of congestion to set and give a run down st to their merits.
I would prepost the merits or other wise to my mate Billy T. and he could then forward them at the appropiate time... could be fun.
| By Billytaylor on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 02:09 pm: Edit |
Well said all, but you all know my theory on eyesign. Cull and breed by performance and the eyesign will follow. The other way around is faulty. Like looking up a horses ass to see if the teeth are good. Lets race. Bye Billy
| By Mreyesign on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 02:19 pm: Edit |
I vow and declare that I will make you eat those words one day Mr Taylor. On Bruces life and Shubies butt. Any way, how else can you see the backside of a horses teeth?
| By Mreyesign on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 02:32 pm: Edit |
To All. Actually, what Billy has said about the performance goes first and the eye's will follow is exactly what stan Bishop said some fifty years ago. What eye-sign does these day's is to put the eye's first and the performance then follows. And it's quicker. The bit about the horses isn't true. You can't see the teeth that way, I don't think. I'll check. Here horsey.
| By David on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 06:56 pm: Edit |
WELL ME like it to its funny how our own eyes are trainned to detect things. super eye but the first thing i noticed is the extra fluid in the eye that means this little guy has a touch of a respirtory problem.and yes the eye sign is branded into the iris the same as the bird of david b from b.
| By Tommakowecki on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:03 pm: Edit |
Yes I noticed the extra eye fluid....didn't see any bubbles so I wasn't sure about respiratory...But wetter than the norm - for sure.
| By Bshuba on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:09 pm: Edit |
Tom
89/977 I noticed is alittle wet and had bubbles when the picture was taken...Not good.Probabley best to send that cull off to me to make sure I don't do well..hahaha
| By Mreyesign on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:35 pm: Edit |
To Schubi. It's an old bird and they do this when you hold them in the direct sunlight. The same thing happens to you.
| By Bshuba on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:37 pm: Edit |
Bob
Its a hell of a eye,Tom knows I like it,just trying every thing and any thing to have him part with it...He has a lot older birds there that don't have watery eyes,bubbles ect..??..The eye Terry posted I noticed was wet,Another one that should be sent off to me..hahaha..Bob give me a brake,I'am not a old bird yet..
| By Mreyesign on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:48 pm: Edit |
To Schubi. Sorry I should have said Dave. He is talking about Terry's bird. The eye's ain't wet, look at the eye lids. Dry and white. Like mine??
| By Bshuba on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:54 pm: Edit |
Bob
I quess I should have read Daves posting also.With eyes like those I would put up with the bubbles..in either case.I would have liked to hear how well this bird that Terry posted has done,racing and breeding.Oh Well.
| By Tommakowecki on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 11:55 pm: Edit |
Your right BillS. I will keep an eye on him.. I don't treat my stock birds unless there really is something dangerous. But you are right there are some bubbles on the pic. He'd go for 1/2 price because of it.
| By Bshuba on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 12:30 am: Edit |
I'am sure I would still have to remortgage the house at that.haha.Have a great night guys gotta go,Darn wife again..
| By Mreyesign on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 01:20 am: Edit |
To Bill Schuba. Tut Tut. You gotta have more confidence in the system than that young man. HA HA HA. I know what you mean though. Don't worry, it'l get posted. It's a pity it isn't quite as clear as it could be, I would like to be able to see more of the protrusion it seems to have.
| By David on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 04:56 am: Edit |
HI TOM looks close to the eye of clarence mealy cock. it was cloudy the day i seen him but boy was he super. as to the wet eye years back had many exrayed for respirtory for free me vet and i are good friends.i have seen it to many times wet eyed birds show cloudy spots on there lungs.also seen it after meds some would clear right up and others would not i guess its like all living things at times these things just wont go away.some thing i pay serious attention too when flying in our open money races dry eyes have won me the cash,.
| By Rjp on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 09:11 am: Edit |
To Bill Schuba
I'm not saying that bird was sick, but can't an eyesign man resist a great eye, even if its a sick bird, you must be keen.
| By Tommakowecki on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 09:24 am: Edit |
D.R. I have Clarence Family of eyes on my site...if you can ever get to see them...the mealy is 97 2200 under cocks. You are probably right on respiratory....it is one of the worst thing to hamper a racers performance.
| By Bshuba on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 07:10 pm: Edit |
Rjp
A little respitory in a stock bird is nothing to get excited about,nothing serious.As long as their vents or pistola works these great eyed birds I'll take any time..
| By Bshuba on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 07:14 pm: Edit |
Tom
Why is it you always make me nervous when you say I'am right.haha......SPRING IS HERE..Terrific day today.
| By Rjp on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 05:03 am: Edit |
Bshuba
I must be getting paranoid, I cull for one eyed cold and dots in the throat, very rare i get one now, If I thought I would have to treat with antibiotics to compete I would pack in, I'm probably wrong in this day and age, but I can realy hate a sick bird.
| By Oscar on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 08:04 am: Edit |
Hi Rjp , No you are not wrong , cull for natural health and you will be much better off . All this antibiotic use is just an easy way out and helps keeping inferior birds healthy enough to compete and then breed from and then in the long run breeding a inferior line/family of birds that depend on antibiotics just to stay healthy .
| By Bshuba on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 08:27 am: Edit |
Rjp
Hummm.If your telling me you would cull your BEST STOCK bird because of a little respitory that can be taking care of with a little garlic and hot dry weather...I'am not even going to get into the dots in throat than be my quest.To each their own.I'AM like Tom,as long as theres nothing serious all I worry about is seeing that my STOCK birds produce and have all they need to raise healthy ybs.My Race Birds are different,and thats only because their put in the truck every week with others.I have a healthy loft,Others may not have.Oh Well.
| By Tommakowecki on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 08:37 am: Edit |
I believe that one should be a bit careful at culling sick birds or should I say identifying sick birds. I don't consider a one eye cold a genetic problem - but an enviornmental one, loft, weather, etc. I have seen some very good birds that had one eye colds. However, culling on the basis of general health is essential. As is said - a dead bird can never prove you wrong - so culling always works.
| By Oscar on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 08:41 am: Edit |
Hi Bill S. , Sorry but I can not agree , stock birds should never get sick , they should have health to spare , if they can not stay healthy themself how would they pass on superior health to their offspring . Even if it is the loft then it certainly wouldn't be your " best " stock bird that would get sick . My stock birds never get any meds , if I see one that is not 100% healthy , it's gone no matter what .
| By Bshuba on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 08:54 am: Edit |
Oscar
Hi and Good morning.That was just my point.My Stock birds are healthy in their own.PMV is All they ever get,besides garlic,depending on the weather here,None need to be treated for Canker ect.I myself hate Meds,but Race Birds are put with others and like mites ect come home with things they never had before leaving THEIR loft.Toms eye and the bird Terry posted I beleive all they would need is Garlic and nice hot weather and they would not have watery eyes and MAYBE a little respitory.Nothing Serious.Mind you keep Talking,maybe the price of Toms bird will come down to where I could afford it..hahaha.Eyes like what these 2 birds have I'd at least try as much NATUARL type things to clear their problems.Of course they also would not be put in MY stock loft untill they have.
| By Rjp on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 08:59 am: Edit |
Heres a thing, I nearly culled 3 yb's once because they had red soapy looking wattles, only to watch the 3 of them beaking together at the same time, they were only about 35 day's old!
| By Bshuba on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 09:23 am: Edit |
Rjp
Most of the problems I find in not having healthy birds is caused mainly because of loft conditions,Ventilation ect and or weather.
| By Bshuba on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 04:17 pm: Edit |
Oscar
just reread my posting to you.What I should have said is besides being vaccinated for Pmv this is all they get...It was early in the morning.
| By Rjp on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 04:32 pm: Edit |
Bshuba
I agree, dry as a bone no matter what weather and ventilation to suite number of birds. On the adverts on TV it said a cats immune system starts to diminish after a number of years, I wonder if the same applies to the birds and how many years? I know a lot of fanciers won't keep older birds.
| By Bshuba on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 04:52 pm: Edit |
Rjp
Most cases ybs are the ones to worry about most about health as their immune systems haven't fully developed.I rarely have had ANY problems with a old bird,No matter their age as far as health.
| By Billytaylor on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 06:37 pm: Edit |
Oscar has a good point but the time to test the genetic health of both breeders and racers is after racing and breeding (or before depending on time of year). Give them no medications of any kind, find and eliminate the sick, lame and halted. Lets race. Bye Billy
| By Bshuba on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 09:14 am: Edit |
Billy T
Well my 2 geneticly healthy Champion schoobie birds are on the plane and in short time will be looking down on yours.haha..Good luck today.
| By Mreyesign on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 02:25 am: Edit |
Hey Larry MacNamara and little Sandy. Those are great observations but, the eye is the other way round and the beak is on the right side of the screen. See the composition in the racing section. I will be at the loft by 1.00 tomorrow, if you want drop around it looks like being fine for the race so if you do came, knock with your elbows. Side gate. If not I shall see you on Wednesday at 8 am sharp.
| By Rjp on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 08:51 am: Edit |
Terryr
That was a good picture your friend took of the eye, could you or any one else tell me, will any digital camera do the job, or does it have to have special lenses?
| By Tommakowecki on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 09:50 am: Edit |
The picture quality does depend on the camera. The best I have seen is the Nikon 990. there maybe better ones out there now and I am sure there are many that cannot macro down to an eye and still keep the detail and quality. Get one that will do what you want it to do - or save your money.
| By Mreyesign on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 12:28 am: Edit |
Through Terry, I contacted the owner of this bird and the following is what he told me. His name is is Phillip Lincoln. The bird was purchased rather late in life and according what he was told by the previous owner who was quitting the game. He had bred three top birds for him and was out of his best. The new owner loaned it to some one who never bred from it so on getting it back tried to breed from it but the bird was found to be infertile. Like Billy Taylor. So it appears that the bird did breed good birds when it was breeding but now is doubtful. What a pity. about tad pole Taylor I mean. I alway's knew there was something fishy about him????The moral to this story is. Don't post pictures of eye's unless you know the background of the birds. This confusses people. AND PISSES ME OFF. HA HA HA . Thanks Terry.
| By Bshuba on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 12:49 am: Edit |
Bob
So does this mean the weddings off.haha..Real shame about that bird being infertile..Had to have been a great one.Now That you mention it..It does sound like Billy also..haha..!!
| By Mreyesign on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 11:41 am: Edit |
Well I must confess. I don't buy birds very often but I would definately buy this one. Yes it is a pity. But at least it bred 4 winners that he knows of. O well, I guess I'll stay single.
| By Billytaylor on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 01:50 pm: Edit |
Shuba, been spayed, too many BillyT offspring out there, cluttering up the scenery. Now tell me about that purchase of a beautiful eyesign breeding mule. Your pal. Cant remember Mike V if I am supposed to be pissed off at you or not. Oh you nonbelievers are going to not get the last laugh when Roly and I clean the pools for the 2 cross channel and one hundred mile sprint in June. Lets race. Bye Billy
| By Mikev on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 02:17 pm: Edit |
Hi Billy T. I don't think you are suppose to be mad at me. I think you are waiting to see what happens between 08 JUN and 05 JUL when we fly three 350's, two 400's, three 500's and a 550. After that little series we will be able to identify the wheat from the chaff.
| By Mreyesign on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 02:30 pm: Edit |
Now that's what I reckon a season should be like. I would love to see a 600 at the end but it's still a good programe.
| By Roly on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:45 pm: Edit |
And a 400 odd miler Championship Race on the North rd. too. Across channel 400 miler National, a Sansebastion 625 miles National, ( Two San Sebastions if I fly the CSE Championship too) Plus a 125 sprint inland... which Billy is picking and choosing what he likes to send where...
Got the loan of that Turkey Blaster that week. so the Van De Pluckers will sing, whistle, dance, and fly by heckers like.
Not a Bad weeks sport line up that!
| By Billytaylor on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 08:27 pm: Edit |
Roly we will send the whole loft and if lost think of the time we have saved by not having to clean. Looking forward to an education. Lets race. Bye Billy
| By Roly on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 06:35 am: Edit |
Well they will have too go. But I also have 525 x 2 races 2 630 miles races and seveal 400 mile races over the channel and a 450, 525 and a couple of 400 odd races on North rd.. beside any others like Palamos etc. So could save me a fortune in sending lol... if the culls do the honour and stay away. Seems a good Idea lol.
Now you know why 12good pairs is realisticly is all you need!
| By Marvin on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:40 am: Edit |
Roly, too bad I can't sneak in BillyT's back pocket and come along. It sounds like you guys will have a great time. What a great opportunity you have with all those long races.
| By Mreyesign on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 11:57 pm: Edit |
Roly, I think I better come over also, just in case you two get all messed up (pissed up) Someone will be there with a level head to hold the fort. I will bring an eye glass with me and, if I see anything that turns me on, other than the young girls at the local, I may pick up a few Euroes on the pools.
| By Marvin on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 04:30 pm: Edit |
Mreyesign, I can see it now. Billy, Roly, and you are off to the local and me left to time the birds in a mechanical clock.
| By Mreyesign on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 04:43 pm: Edit |
Yes Marvin, but you can join us later when the birds are home, and the coops are clean. We might even save you a girl. Ooops. A drink.
| By Roly on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 06:07 pm: Edit |
Yeah you're both welcome... some one will have to buy our drinks while we lie and swagger about others great deeds... well ours really but we are - as you may have noticed - both so very modest. I still have 2/3 of spare bed rooms muckers.
| By Billytaylor on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 08:14 pm: Edit |
Roly, Sheriff of Nothinham would have his hands full beating the tatoo on Bob and Marvins head with his billy club. Probably get him reelected unapposed. See you in about 3 weeks matey. Lets race. Bye Billy
| By Roly on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 04:34 am: Edit |
Hi your right there Billy Boy. I goes up Notts most week .... two vans down at mo... hence training slack. Joyce won't clean out her car after the tosses... might get the Sherrif to have words with here lol. And boy does she chunter when I clean the nest bowls in her Dish Washers.. says at least I ought to remove the excess straw like.
There are a couple of Great National winners at Nottingham we will be visiting Bill Boy.. so all in all may pay to be a mite careful lol.
| By Mikev (66.185.85.73 - 66.185.85.73) on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 09:40 pm: Edit |
Here is another one
| By Spuggy (209.239.5.150 - 209.239.5.150) on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 02:04 pm: Edit |
Mikev. Any details on the bird? Would that be classed as a 'bottle cap' serration?
| By Myron (64.12.96.73 - 64.12.96.73) on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 07:29 pm: Edit |
THE TERM BOTTLE CAP IS USED ONLY FOR THE CIRCLE OF ADAPTATION, WHICH CAN'T BE SEEN HERE CLEAR ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY GRADING.
| By Spuggy (209.239.6.139 - 209.239.6.139) on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 10:17 pm: Edit |
Thanks Myron. I thought with all the splinters or whatever extending from the pupil it would be classed as such. still learning here.
| By Myron (205.188.208.108 - 205.188.208.108) on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 06:19 am: Edit |
spuggy, your eyes must be better than mine.
which circle are you looking at.?? the c/c.??
| By Sunset (216.148.246.134 - 216.148.246.134) on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 09:45 am: Edit |
Mike; is that the eye of ORI 555?
| By Pigeonpete (63.138.237.85 - 63.138.237.85) on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 11:29 am: Edit |
Quote:spuggy, your eyes must be better than mine.
which circle are you looking at.?? the c/c.??
| By Spuggy (209.239.6.46 - 209.239.6.46) on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 12:59 pm: Edit |
What I meant was the dark pointed areas going into the coloured part. k, black/white red.
As you can tell not sure of the nomeclature.
| By Mikev (66.185.85.73 - 66.185.85.73) on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 06:54 pm: Edit |
Hi All
The eye belongs to the foundation hen of one of the top lofts in a major combine in Canada.
| By Mreyesign (198.81.26.17 - 198.81.26.17) on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 11:53 am: Edit |
To Pigeon Pete. The records show that no he didn't breed anything direct but, the skip generation did produce some very good birds and as Usual from Champions, NOTHING as good as he was.
Yes Pete I handled him, and he was a medium build not too long etc, with a great CERACUTE wing pattern. 4 Well vented Stilletto flights etc. Not a deep step, but a step. Plenty of lift and a very short fore arm. The wrists ( butt's) were not large and bony like many of his time, infact he was a little bit effeminate in some way's and not your typical oristocratic foundation bird.
If I had to I would have preferred him to be a little heavier. Of course when I saw him his flying day's were over so I didn't see him in his prime which could explain his size.
The eye was nothing to write home about, a typical composite racing yellow with nothing what so ever to predict that he was a Champion. This of course proves what I've always said, the subject isn't without it's flaw's.
There are birds that show hardly any standard type eye-sign, with none of the normal tell tale features but, they do the same things in competition that the obvious and bold eye-sign birds do, fortunately these are not common place and most birds do show signs that give the game away to those who know what these signs are???? 