The 1st and 2nd A series ace pigeons in the Up North Combine (Canada) in 2005 were 1/2 sisters bred from the same hen. The sires were a father and son. The first ace pigeon was bred by the father and it was his son that bred to 2nd ace pigeon mated to the same hen. Here is the hen's eye. It is the best dominant violet eye that I have actual viewed in the flesh. I am posting it here as my Christmas present to the Comanco discussion site. It is a thing of beauty owned by Sousa Family loft. Photo by Andy Skrobot.

By Mikev (69.199.196.197 - 69.199.196.197) on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 09:04 pm: Edit

Here is the first Ace winner

By Mikev (69.199.196.197 - 69.199.196.197) on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 09:06 pm: Edit

Here is the father o the 1st Ace.

By Mikev (69.199.196.197 - 69.199.196.197) on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 09:07 pm: Edit

Here is the 2nd ace pigeon.

By Mikev (69.199.196.197 - 69.199.196.197) on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 09:09 pm: Edit

Here is the father of the 2nd ace pigeon.

By Mikev (69.199.196.197 - 69.199.196.197) on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 09:12 pm: Edit

This montage proves 100% that the dam is a dominant violet eye. Can anyone explain how?

By Oscar (149.99.156.166 - 149.99.156.166) on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 11:01 pm: Edit

Because 1 of her daughters has a yellow eye , which is suppose to be impossible out of 2 pearls .
Now the only way to be totally sure is to have them dna tested .
Is there a possibility that the father is really not the father ?

By David (216.208.56.18 - 216.208.56.18) on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 03:43 am: Edit

thanks mike, what a eye for hen and cock.first off from my view the hen is 99 percent black not pearl. i do believe if the hen was handled when sitting 10 to 14 days on eggs or with a 8 day old baby the eye would show more black than it shows now. at the end of the day it could be classed 10 percent pearl 90 percent black. the 2nd ace bird is black eye sign not yellow which adds up.if the parents werent in a breeding pen were just guessing on the cock. no matter just class pigeons and eyes.

By Mikev (69.199.196.197 - 69.199.196.197) on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 08:32 am: Edit

Hi Oscar

Notwithstanding your incredulous overtones, you win the cigar.

I do not believe that the pairs were bred in individual breeding pens, so I cannot say 100% that the parentage is as stated.

I will add that I rated the old hen a dominant violet the second I looked into her eye. My identification was merely corroborated when I later saw the daughters and then their sires.

By Mikev (69.199.196.197 - 69.199.196.197) on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 08:37 am: Edit

Hi David

I agree with your evaluation. The only clarification is that when I refer to an eye as a yellow or a pearl, I am talking about the iris color, not the color of the circle of correlation (eyesign ring). I should have been more clear on that.

By Mikev (142.140.89.175 - 142.140.89.175) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 08:45 am: Edit

There you go David.

By Grizzled (69.198.50.241 - 69.198.50.241) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 09:15 am: Edit

These eyes are spectacular MIKE. By pearl or yellow, we are referring to the colour background of the iris, is that correct? Are there any other colours besides these two?

By Mikev (142.140.89.175 - 142.140.89.175) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 09:50 am: Edit

Hi Griz

Correct, the iris color and there is only the two, yellow or pearl.

By Grizzled (69.198.50.241 - 69.198.50.241) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 01:29 pm: Edit

MIKE, the DOMINANT VIOLET eye'd hen, would it be technically a yellow or a pearl(it looks pearl to me). Why is it called DOMINANT VIOLET?

By Mikev (142.140.89.175 - 142.140.89.175) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 03:10 pm: Edit

Hi Griz

It is pearl and it is called dominant violet because it has the features that reflect that rating and because it bred a yellow eyed youngster when mated to another pearl eyed pigeon which only dominant violet eyes can do.

By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 03:38 pm: Edit

Ah even I have ben educated .... Remember this topic well when Bob sat in the 'Chair'.
I have decided to do a 'Eye Sign'deckers with my birds. I will get the birds and their eyes posted and ask. This won't be till the Sun Shines here as I am told best to have the Sunlight, behing? - the birds when taking a photo of eyes. Have a mate with a digit camera so won't be hard.
Will expect views up front and after race season with tell just who is able to tell what.

By Grizzled (69.198.50.241 - 69.198.50.241) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 06:07 pm: Edit

MIKE, if yellow is dominant over pearl, how can the DOMINANT VIOLET eye carry yellow?
Does DOMINANT VIOLET run in any particular family or is it a hit and miss type of feature?
Is there a VIOLET or RECESSIVE VIOLET and if so could you put a pic up for us to see?

By David (216.209.109.136 - 216.209.109.136) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 06:13 pm: Edit

hmm sounds good. next thing you will be paying connie. well you know for your eye sign membership card.oh no you have just sent taylor into orbit. with this eye ball stuff.

By Grizzled (69.198.50.241 - 69.198.50.241) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 08:10 pm: Edit

" hi. grizz. look at the father of the second ace bird. thats the black me want and was talking about. now compare it to others. "

DAVE, the father of the 2nd ace bird looks kind of grey or silver to me with a bit of black between 6 & 8 o'clock??? Maybe you meant the 2nd ace bird?
Do you look for this feature in fliers, breeders or both?

By Mikev (69.199.196.197 - 69.199.196.197) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 08:22 pm: Edit

Hi Griz

Dominant violet can throw both yellow and pearl eyes. I do not know the formula for breeding them. I can only remember seeing three in the flesh. If you figure out how, let me know.

I am afraid that I do not have many pictures and none of a recessive violet. Dave Rodgers has a pigeon with a recessive violet eye. Maybe we can get Andy to take a picture of it when he is here for the eyesign show on May 7th.

By Billytaylor (67.107.64.67 - 67.107.64.67) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 09:32 pm: Edit

No Taylor aint in orbit, just amazed that you all base your breeding and buying selections on the eyeballs instead of race performance. Barnam was right a fool born every minute and if you fool them bad enough they cannot be convinced they are fooled. See the Bearded Lady, See the 2 headed calf. Look at this beautiful eyeball. New sailors on their first time at sea were rooked into looking under a box where the old salts had captured a sea bat. As they bent down to look under the box for the sea bat, a nearby salt would strike them on the ass with a broom. Many true believer newbes would state, Stop hitting me I want to see the sea bat. Reminds me of you eyesign gurus. Lets race. Bye BillyT