Well the wing was not broken right through, but there was some blood near the body/shoulder area where the bird hit a wire or something.

This happened last thursday when I was loft flying the birds on a hot morning...

The bird can fly to the roof and back but the wing is very tender.

Do wing injuries near the body heal? I always thought that a bird with a broken wing never recovers. Does anybody else have experience with this, I figured there was no point in immobilizing the wound as the bird flew home from the initial hit and was bloodied up some, but since then improvement has been slow.

Dave.

By Roly on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 09:02 pm: Edit

Dave, Put it in a sock. Cut the toes of first and pull the sock over making sure the wing is is the right setting. Leave in loft for a few days and check it regularly. Before socking it, make a strong dose of salty water... or neat and make sure any injurious part(s) are well cover in salt. The eyes will show you the condition it is in regarding, pain, or discontentment. It will show as good as talking how it feels and what not through the eyes. 4/5 days later complete remove of sock and leave again in lofte to gain confidence and become chirpy. It will fly soon enough!

By Davidtichbourne on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 08:09 am: Edit

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Dave.

By Davidtichbourne on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 08:48 am: Edit

So what I did was put the bird in a nest box for a few days, I guess I should have thought of that sooner. I thought the bird would be able to judge on it's own how much to fly. The bird seems fine just being very careful with the wing, it is able to hold the wing properly at rest, so it doesn't drag on the floor.

Only reason I asked is about 9 of 43 of my other other birds had assorted mishaps, with wires, and they all seemed to recover in a few days, even the one that got split open (the bald spots do take some time to grow back, but they seem to keep up fine on training).

So far I have not had a young bird have 2 accidents, if minor enough, like mine, the bird seems to recover with no ill effects..

Dave.

By Tommakowecki on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 09:30 am: Edit

I had a son of my Red Pied in 1976 that hit a wire and couldn't fly - badly swollen.....a friend wanted some of my stock so sold him this Red, thinking he would use him as a stock bird. He broke him quite easy because of the injury and the next year he won our 400 Yearling race with him. "I think if the bone IS NOT BROKEN - they can heal and race well again" PS - Many never do well, but MANY NEVER DO WELL !

By Baetensd on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 09:42 am: Edit

hello david,

well i think a wing injury is worse than any other kind of injury it could have by hitting a wire ... altough it might fly again, i don't know if it will be able to race at 100% of its physical abilities this season.
this year we had one of our old birds hit the window when we let him out one of the first weeks of the season and altough he broke nothing and it didn't show any signs of swelling etc , we weren't able to race it : because every time he had to fly longer than an hour or so, he had difficulties with its wing ... (not after short flights) now we are more than 2 month later and he doesn't seem to have any kind of trouble anymore ...
greetz,
D

By Roly on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 11:35 am: Edit

I had a y/b that had to crash land on the traps.. couldn't get in and was stuck because she was using her wings as means of prepelling herself.
Both legs broken in part and right at the top of leg. Wing badly bruised to say the least.
It's courage and determination greatly impressed me. I took over two and a half hours taping, splinting etc. as I thought she deserved the chance of life. The salt no doubt did stink. Eyes told me that much. However I thought if I can pull you round later when pain is gone and you can get around you will be happy... Also later I thougt 'This is the courage and determination one wants, needs in their birds if they are to amount to anything good. above the average.
She mended. grew tame for a while.I left her in sock for about four days. She was hurting a little but then so would I have been and I wouldn't have wanted to be culled.
Any way she raced and won later. Flew Begerac... Had two rounds of young and lost her at Pau.. 625 miles. She has had a happy life, still is I presume.. and I have good young off of her.
Simularly a red checker Both legs broken High up. Fixed and dissapeared for a few weeks... Won as a yearling... still has nights out from 40 miles chucks.. won a couple this year. Will be close and on day this Sat from Thurso. So yes most are a waste.. the indivual must know his birds, wiegh up the merits and decide accordingly.

By Mreyesign on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 12:21 pm: Edit

Roly. They don't shoot EVERY race horse that breaks a leg. Only 99.999% of them???? I have seldom seen a broken winged bird fly again successfully.

By Billytaylor on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 02:31 pm: Edit

Well Once again and the last time I have to agree with Mr Eyeball. You are all compassionate SOBs and every once in 10 years a broken wing bird will win a race. Depends on the competition. If you are flying against droolers, even the blind my win. But not often. If the broken wing is a bro/sis of your best racers keep it for one breeding round and see what the offspring do. If it has no history fill the dump. We feed too many culls. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Tommakowecki on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:25 pm: Edit

If the wing IS BROKEN - I certainly agree; stock or pot.....but a badly bruised wing can heal OK. So what's wrong with a compassionate World?

By Davidtichbourne on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:05 am: Edit

So Miss B Wing, was out of the nest box today, on the high roof of my loft today. She was thinking about flying but just not quite ready to give it a real good go. Wing is mending slowly, but the damaged wing is significantly "thicker" than other, she is not back to level flight. If the wing stays thick and flight doesn't look good, I will decide her fate later in the year based on brothers/sisters, and how much space I have.

Pigeons heal quite a bit faster than us, don't they?

Thanks again, Dave.

By Billytaylor on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 12:38 pm: Edit

Dave Tic. Good for the bird. But remember this and burn it into your forehead. To race and win in good competition (and I know You have it from My Bud O) The slightest defect or loss of health will not do. You are racing against super pigeon flyers with super birds who do not miss a lick. No lame or half healthy cull has a chance. Think on it. I advise get tough and forget the do gooding. Lets race . Bye Billy

By Billytaylor on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:12 pm: Edit

Now I too have had YBs hit a wire and skin the chest, but do not show any mercy. Take them training as you would all the flock. If the damage is too severe you will lose them on the second days toss after soreness has set in. But if that bird is a keeper and has not damaged a wing, it will still get home, hurting and a little late. Now that bird has shown it is a no quitter. Pull it off the training and let it heal. Good chance that bird will win for you. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Davidtichbourne on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 03:14 pm: Edit

I know you are right Billy, it will take me a while to learn this. I am mostly using this year to learn so am really training the young birds, I will be putting any defectives aside to deal with later.

take care,
Dave.

By Mreyesign on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 03:45 pm: Edit

Here's your song Titch. Did you say I've got a lot to Learrnnnn. Well dont't think I'm trying not to Learrnnnn. Sinse this is the perfect spot to Learrnnnn. Teach me tonight. Starting from the ABC of Iittttt. Right down to the XYG of Iittt. Help me solve the mystery of Iitttt. Teach me tonight. ha ha ha. It's called. Teach Me Tonight. Sung back in the ancient 50's by a lovely lady and great singer called. Joe Stafford and a whole bunch of others after her. A classic song. I'll sing it for you one day.

Here's one for your buddy Moron. O-Ho-Yesssss, I'm the great, PREE-HE-TENDERRRR. LA DAH DAH DAH. ha ha ha .

By Billytaylor on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 08:47 pm: Edit

Bob, back in the padded cell. Just shows how you act when the attendents let you out into the Rec room. Took a poop in the ash tray and peed among the potted plants. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Davidtichbourne on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:59 pm: Edit

Well Miss B Wing is kinda flying now, the bone in the wing that was broken seems to be mending now, she flew for about 15 minutes, the last two mornings. Where the fracture was the area was alot thicker and boney a few days ago. Today her fractured wing is now within reason similar to her good wing but their is still a difference. She might have a chance to be ready for a long toss next week. When I see it is healed am hoping to fly her to see what she can do.

Keeping the bird quite for the several days sure helped, but I think light flying now could be okay and help shape her recovery.

From my physiology days in school a long time ago, we learned in mammals that 1 in 4 calcium ions are in the blood/soft tissue as opposed to the bone itself, I always thought of bones as very stable things but they are not really, always changing.

later gents,

Dave.

By Davidtichbourne on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:08 pm: Edit

Roly, I meant to ask, in your post just above you mentioned salt, was the purpose of the salt to prevent calcification or infection. Needless to say I didn't use any as the skin was NOT broken in my case. Perhaps my mistake.

Thanks,

Dave.

By Roly on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:21 am: Edit

Infection. Why Sea food is possiblely the most clean, pure food you can have... of course there may be in the sea, bad virus or bacteria's that are immuned to salt! I know not of that subject. But it is usually near at hand and as a first line action very effective. Again there are times when anti biotics are needed. I don't think, no know, I have ever resorted to them though.

By Tommakowecki on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:28 am: Edit

I have always found that pigeons have a great ability to avoid infection because of an injury. I have seen them come home injured or healed after tremendous injuries and never had an ounce of antibiotic or others means to curb infection.. I think putting salt on a wound - would be exactly as it sounds - cruel. (Roly - please don't take that as a personal attack...just my opinion)

By Roly on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 02:20 pm: Edit

No I agree, like when mum put iodine on uur cuts abd what not... Rememberber when Had a large nail - rusty at that - the Iodine went right through into my mouth.. but then a gain, I have been hospital when treated with odds and sods and boy did they stink and make me jump. so it's cruel to be kind I guess. After shave - achahol -stings but the shin makes it feel worth while.. Balm don't so as time progresses Subsitutes will be used. but their isn't as I kinow of any readily hand. nor anywhere nears as effective.
And Tthe sting is too long.

By Billytaylor on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:23 pm: Edit

Sorry TomMak salt on the wing is the least of that pigeons problem. Curel or not. I would send him to pigeon heaven and not worry about hurting his feelings. Lets race. Bye BillyT

By Tommakowecki on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:47 pm: Edit

Can't argue with that BillyT. I would rather put it down than put salt on any wound.

By Davidtichbourne on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 02:22 pm: Edit

I will wait fellas, the bird is not in (serious) pain and can fly to the roof and can do a few minutes flying now every day, seems to be healing slowly. I would prefer to wait until end of yearling season to cull this year's young, I don't want to make too many mistakes. Assuming I don't loose too many young birds (I hope) in the races starting in 2 weeks, I should have space for 30-40 over the winter.

Take care

Dave.

By Roly on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:17 pm: Edit

Me meself like, I'd much rather have a few minutes discomfort, a few days rest that have me necked pulled... syill I think that all creatures prefer a little pain, upset than death. Like a rat etc. that will actually gnore a leg off to escape a trap. I fell pigeons would perfer to live as well. Had a few over the years that have been distressed or uncomfortable like.. few days later ripe as ninepence.

By Davidtichbourne on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 05:11 pm: Edit

Transport got one of my babies...

I just got back from starting to train my bird above recovering from the broken wing (Alias Miss B Wing for those of you who don't like naming pigeons). I took her and a 9 others for a about a mile, 2km.

Well they are back still flying around my loft, been about 45 minutes now which is good for them... first time in a basket for 8 of the 10.

1 bird is missing, I let them out and the birds starting circling but one young one panicked and came down and landed on a transport truck...way up on the box part of the trailer.

I went over to talk to the driver and he started the engine and honking the horn and stuff to try to help get the bird off...then he said he was leaving anyways and offered to move the truck around...needless to say the bird wouldn't budge...we will see if this little fella makes it home. I guess this was my mistake the birds nestmate has been ranging very well, and this transport rider only a few times.

Needless to say if you see a transport riding down the highway with a pigeon on it ...it could be mine...

later

Dave.

By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 01:59 pm: Edit

The RPRA rules are / or were, but it was brought in not so long ago, that if a birds circles around then comes back to the basket it MUST be brought back ... Like wise if refuses, or not keen to leave the basket.
Use to be the convoyers went around, collected the eggs and threw out the birds. Still do, but they could be bought to heel over it...

By Billytaylor (67.107.64.60 - 67.107.64.60) on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 06:33 pm: Edit

Roly always got eggs in my shipping basket. I dont pay attention to nest positions nor who is about to lay. As you know i preselect OBs for each race ahead of the season. When its your turn to race, you race. Won 2 Club, combines and 1 assn so far. Just getting into my specialty, long, hot and humid with mostly headwinds. 400 this weekend from Oklahoma City. Lets race. Bye BillyT

By Marvin (216.170.21.71 - 216.170.21.71) on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 09:30 am: Edit

Billy, we'll be racing 430 from OKC on May 16 and May 28. Then June 4 from Marietta OK 530 miles then June 18 and June 25 are Ft Worth 605 miles. I'm starting to get my long distance team rebuilt so hope to do something this year.

By Wayne (64.12.116.68 - 64.12.116.68) on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 03:27 pm: Edit

Looks like a Janssen type race this weekend, Billy. Front coming in Friday night with 10/15 MPH tailwind.

Wayne

By Billytaylor (67.107.64.9 - 67.107.64.9) on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 12:15 pm: Edit

Wayne was exactly right. Speed types flew the race from Okla City at near 60mph. Needless to say the Van Der Pluckers were late. Anyway wait untill next week. Lets race. Bye BillyT

By Roly (62.253.32.8 - 62.253.32.8) on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 05:43 am: Edit

Ananova:

Chicken fined for crossing road

A chicken fined for crossing the road has walked free from court in the US after a judge threw out the charge.

Ophelia, a black Polish hen, earned her owners a £30 fine for illegally walking across the street in California.

California state law bans livestock from highways but not domestic pets.

But lawyers for Ophelia's owners Linc and Helena Moore successfully argued that Ophelia was domesticated and could not be charged as livestock - and the case was dismissed.

The Moores had been fined after their chicken wandered onto a road in the small rural mining town of Johannesburg in Kern county.