I sure have a lot of questions on here. I hope nobody minds. I was planning on vaccinating my young birds for pox, but when I received the vaccine and looked at the instructions, it said not to fly your birds within 4 weeks of vaccinating. That sounds hard to believe doesn't it? Thanks, Bryan.

By Mreyesign on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 07:49 pm: Edit

No.

By Bryanb on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 08:01 pm: Edit

Do you mean you shouldn't train them or do you mean just you can't race them?

By Billytaylor on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 08:58 pm: Edit

Bryan, in my experience, you should not road train for about two weeks after giving the pox vac. You can loft fly, but they will develop a low grade pox including the fever and off form. Not a problem as your objective is to immune them. After then push. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Roly on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 01:46 am: Edit

Most Pox injections are live. And if not it is very contageous. So once injected it IS A carrier and will pass on the Pox to other birds it becomes in circulation with. Hence the Whole loft, every bird need doing at the same time.. just just youngsters or old birds but the ALL.
Remember if you fly them others in the club will soon have a problem with Pox. Same as the Dual purpose Parra / Pox... it spreads.
I use to say Why inforce me to inject if I have no wish to? !
That as Your birds are jabbed and immuned to say Parra what is the problem if I don't!
Even if jabbed it is no where near100% immuned.. I believe Polio in us is the highest regards sucess of about 90 odd %... and can still be caught. or injected birds can still have a down ward and lost of form too say the least.

By Baetensd on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 04:51 am: Edit

brian,

i don't know what kind of vaccin is used there but over here the 9th-10th-11th day after vaccinating are considered the most dangerous days to lose some birds, even around the loft, so some people don't let them out on these days ... then after 2-3 weeks i don't think there is a problem in road training them ... of course make sure they are healthy the moment you vaccinate them or it could take them longer to recover from it ...
greetz,
D

By Bill on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 05:45 pm: Edit

Hi Roly..You are 100% correct we had a club in ontario that used the para/pox vac, from ganis and 90% of there birds came down with pox in the middle of the season when they thought they where all ok, Billy T. you are certanly some strange people in TEXAS, i just hope you or your wife never have to go through the bullshit and trouble these people caused me and my wife it was a lot more than i wrote in the article.just my side Billy and not sucking up to any man nor beast.bill butterfield.

By Billytaylor on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:33 pm: Edit

Billy Butt, in my opinion you are a fine pigeon man and if the Quebec niggers assaulted you and wife it was sour grapes. The thing I fault you with is that you let it effect your view on racing and life. Get tough sandbag. If you are looking for love see a prostitute. If you are looking for sympathy look in the dictionary between shit and yhatshit. Get real I think you are not a teenager. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Bill on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:59 pm: Edit

Hi Billy T. yes it did efect my view of racing pigeon's it made me try that much harder and it showed me that they can talk but when all is said and done the shit roll's back to where it came and it sure stunk for them they had to leave ONTARIO to fly pigeon's cause no club would have them, see you in oct, bill butterfield.

By Wayne on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 08:14 pm: Edit

I have been pox vacine for years and never had a problem. Have never used the para/pox vacine at the same time and maybe this is the problem. I usually keep them in the loft a few days before I let them loft fly.I usually do this when the last round is weaned. ( month of May.)
Another strange one from TEXAS.

Wayne
Texas City, Tx

By Bryanb on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 09:27 pm: Edit

In "Rotondo on Racing Pigeons", Joe Rotondo writes he vaccinates his youngbirds for pox in the morning, right before he baskets them for the first training toss (40 miles).

By Wayne on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 11:19 pm: Edit

Bryanb- I would not try everything that is written in Rotondo's book. Especially taking them 40 miles for their first toss.I usually start my YB's off with very short tosses. Three miles or so.

Wayne

By Mreyesign on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 11:46 pm: Edit

You guy's must remember that Rotondo was an experienced flyer and did things that only experience will let you do. His book is one of the best ever written.

By Baetensd on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 05:44 am: Edit

bryan,
from the point of view of the health of the birds, there is nothing wrong with training them right after you vaccinated them cause that has no effect yet, but i would never consider doing a toss that far or even a short toss on the day i vaccinated them ...
greetz,
D

By Roly on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 06:35 am: Edit

Bryan you would be the most unpopular man in the Fed. let alone club if you sent any pigeons within a fortnight here.. I think they'd run you out of town lol.

By Mikev on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 10:34 am: Edit

Unvaccinated pigeons catching full blown pox simply by coming into contact with a pigeon that has been vaccinated is one of those old wives tale myths that refuses to die and is unshakable regardless of any amount of evidence that is presented against it. I never use to vaccinate for POX until one year, about 10 years ago I had one old bird develop POX immeditately following the old bird race schedule. It's mate soon developed the POX lesions as well. Since the birds were likely on the chopping block anyway, I dispatched them and have never had any more symtoms. Since that year, I have vaccinated regularly for POX. Because of this myth about the vaccine spreading full blown POX to unvaccinated lofts, I deliberately leave three or four young birds unvaccinated every year to see what will happen. Though these unvaccinated birds live, sleep, eat and drink right in the middle of 20 to 40 loft mates, all vaccinated, I have never had even one of these birds develop any POX symtoms. There is experimental proof, replicated every year over ten years that seems pretty convincing that uvaccinated birds will not contract full blown POX from the vaccine in the systems of vaccinated birds.

It really makes me laugh when I hear that an unvaccinated loft contracts POX and the vaccinate one does not and all these wise old flyers, that just "know" the "facts" blame the vaccine for causing the problem. Could it not simply be that the vaccinated birds did not contract the symtoms because they were protected and the unvaccinated loft developed the disease in the usual manner, because their birds were not protected by the vaccine? Duh!!

By Mreyesign on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 11:05 am: Edit

Roly, I think I may have mentioned this before but they actually have extra crates on the truck at the FVC, ESPECIALLY for birds with pox, and man O man you should see the way some of those birds go to the races.

The pox lesions are so bad that the birds are unable to fully close their mouths properly, but the sad thing is that they often win in this condition?????? TRUE STORY.

When the lesions break out the fever has gone, and they fly just fine.

By Roly on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 01:37 pm: Edit

Well I phoned the Top man at the Vets in Belguim and he told me catogoracally not to send them. The thing is in ones own loft after vacinnating, any not vacinated will get comtaminated very quickly also.. with the same mild dose that is injected to the other birds - hence these will also become immune. Thus before the full blown up contamition that will spread rapidly after it is rapant.. which it becomes after vacinating.
Also on the bottle etc. there are stringent warning about it... also Pige9ons here are banned - under Vets order - from racing for a period of time.

By Billytaylor on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Well in my opinion vaccinating for pox before your birds are exposed to the conveyor is just one more little thing good flyers do to cover all the bases. As I have said many times, its the little things that win races. If you skip over these little things you are a slacker and one day you will lose a season by not doing it. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Bill on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 05:33 pm: Edit

Well here go's week #8 not good got my ass kicked was 7-10-11. Week #9 won 1-7-8-9-15 2nd race 1-2-3-4-5 not to bad,Bob that young cock 1st again 8 race's 7 time's in the clock with 2x1st's never been worse than 10th club or combine. bill butterfield.

By Mreyesign on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 05:47 pm: Edit

You got a good one alright. Congratulations again. You will have to get a picture of his eye and post it for us all.

By Billytaylor on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 07:51 pm: Edit

Well Billy Butt congrats, not bad for a hair lipped French Canadian. Put the hurts on them. Good show. Lets race. Bye BillyT

By Sunset on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 09:04 pm: Edit

lol Tell me why a couple of new members of our club are truning green right now Bill? Good job! But truth is they are not French Canadians as you know.

By Davebooth on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 09:44 pm: Edit

Hi All ,here we go 340 miles shipped 4 birds ended up 2nd,9th,11th and 15th.Last race is this weekend ,ship wendsday for friday release .Will see what happens,good luck to all in the races.

By Roly on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 12:42 am: Edit

Any way one with pox can / will contaminate the whole shebang.. Mikev try the other way around.. might work out a lot cheaper, or take 2 pairs away and leave hosipalised like for 1 -2 weeks and then put them back in with the ones not ever jabbed....!

By Billytaylor on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 11:45 am: Edit

Hello Booth, super flying year. Gave the pukes Rodgers and Ottoway heart burn and you bragging rights until YBs. Make them suffer. Rodgers is probably up to 6 cigs a day. PS we are going to have to work a little harder in YBs to appoplex Mike V and send him in to cardiac arrest. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Davebooth on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 07:04 pm: Edit

Hi Billy, Well just started training the young ones on friday we will see what happens when the races start.So far they are looking o.k. and training not too bad .

By Baetensd on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 04:41 am: Edit

Roly,
just curious, who is the top man at the vets in belgium ??

greetz,
D

By Davebooth on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 10:17 am: Edit

Hi All ,Just want to Congratulate Fred Weening on his Super Win At the Stouville/Cannington Open.Sent 2 birds and ended up 1st and 3rd.Super flying and not to mention winning over 5ooo points.Excellant race run by an excellant club.My hats off to all the hardworking members of your club.

By Mreyesign on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 10:25 am: Edit

Well done Fred, Congratulations.

By Roly on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 12:07 pm: Edit

Big D.
You should know.. or at least have a good Idea. But then again your idea and mine may well be different, hence I needn't go down that road, suffice to say that it is intended no more or less than to state a fact.
Tread carefully when setting sprats to catch mackerals me ole mucker.

By Baetensd on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 01:45 pm: Edit

oh well ,
i guess you prefer not to tell which vet you have contact with and that's ok,
i just asked it out of curiosity cause i wouldn't know which vets are famous abroad ...

greetz,
D

By Billytaylor on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 03:32 pm: Edit

Booth is Fred on the discussion? Like to discuss his feeding schedule. Good job. Lets race. Bye Billy

By Davebooth on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 03:56 pm: Edit

Hi Billy ,AS far as I know right now Fred is not on this discussion yet ,but will see if I can get him on.

By Bryanb (24.131.178.240 - 24.131.178.240) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:34 pm: Edit

Is it okay to vaccinate the young birds for pox, paratyphoid, and PMV at the same time?

Thanks,
Bryan

By Roly (62.253.32.7 - 62.253.32.7) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 02:48 pm: Edit

There is a Pox / Para vaccine out now.... but If they are Bought seperately I tend to think it best to use seperately.....

By Bryanb (24.131.178.240 - 24.131.178.240) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 02:56 pm: Edit

Would it be okay to use each vaccine seperately, but use them all on the same day?

By Roly (62.253.32.7 - 62.253.32.7) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 05:16 am: Edit

No I don't thing so personally. Every action has a re - action. So good..... some bad.
Take a Wasp sting.... best cure would be to get stung in exactly the same spot by a Bee. vica - versa. Many meds state Not to add . with or till ....
Me I wouldn't even thoink about it. The longest time it would take is 6 weeks to do every thing. no time at all for a all the year around sport!